Tom Cruise: Yup, Idiot.
Drudge posts this transcript from a Today show appearance this morning wherein Mr. Cruise opines about how dangerous it is that some kids are on “anti-psychotic drugs” and how horrible a thing it is to use other “anti-psychotic drugs” when one is depressed. Hrm.
The thing is, Tom, that neither Adderall nor Ritalin is an anti-psychotic. In fact, both of them are pretty near to methamphetamine in chemical composition (Adderall being a combination of amphetamine and dextroamphetamine), one of the side-effects of which is potential psychosis if abused over the long-term. Methamphetamine has been known to induce paraniod-schizophrenia, for instance. So, yeah, I’ll agree that giving kids speed might not be the best medical choice, and that ADHD looks surprisingly like what we used to call “childhood”, but get the damn facts right.
Now, about those anti-depressants. Those aren’t anti-psychotics either. The main class continues to be Selective Saratonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs) like Prozac or Zoloft. There are also other options like Wellbutrin.
It’s true that recently some anti-psychotics have been used to treat bi-polar patients with some success, but that doesn’t reclassify Stimulants and SSRIs as “anti-psychotic drugs”. Let’s be very clear: anti-psychotics are used to treat psychotic disorders, particularly Schizophrenia. Anti-psychotic medications have become fairly important in the treatment of schizophrenia, and there are new ones on the way, but that still doesn’t change the facts on the ground: stimulants and SSRIs aren’t anti-psychotics you ignorant, Scientologist dolt.
June 24th, 2005 at 5:39 pm
Makes me want to steal all of his seratonin.
June 24th, 2005 at 7:46 pm
I wish Matt Lauer had asked him about Xenu. Maybe next time…
June 25th, 2005 at 12:58 am
He’s just parroting what his church tells him. You weren’t expecting razor insights out of the boy, were you? Are you a jerk or something?
June 25th, 2005 at 5:29 am
Danimal: Yes. Further, they have the interweb in Europe?
Also: apologies to commenter dau, I accidentally deleted your comment when using blacklist to comb comment spam out of the last one-hundred comments. Sorry about that.
June 25th, 2005 at 4:03 pm
Yes, Tim, believe it or not this no-longer-relevant continent is also not entirely lit by gas lamps. I was surprised, too.
June 25th, 2005 at 11:51 pm
Learn something every day, next you’ll tell me they don’t ride about on magical horses eating gum drops off of trees.
June 27th, 2005 at 8:35 am
Tom Cruise, you’re an idiot! If scientolgoy is so great, maybe you should concentrate on working on YOUR issues instead of jumping all over Brook Shields!
June 27th, 2005 at 9:14 am
Cruise is a smile filled stupid person (aka: idiot) with little talent and no ability to converse in an intelligent manner (like Jay Leno with low brain power)
June 27th, 2005 at 11:33 am
No prob, Tim. Not much to say anyways.
June 28th, 2005 at 12:30 pm
Tom Cruise is an idiot, brainwashed at the Univesity of Scientology.
Tom needs to stick to acting, and I don’t mean
acting like an idiot.
I say put Matt and Tom in a ring for a Celebrity boxing match. I want to see Matt open a can of
whoop ass on Tom.
June 28th, 2005 at 1:10 pm
Who is Tom Cruise kidding? He’s not a doctor, or a member of the AMA, why should we listen? Just because your a scientologist, does not make a scientist and so wordly on all things medical. You have no idea about what you speak of when you talk of pshyciatry. I believe that’s because you have no mind of your own now, it belongs to the brain washers or better known as the scientologists! Shut up about stuff you have no business proclaiming your a expert on. Go shag that little girl of yours, and maybe you need some ritalin to stop all that jumping around your doing.
June 28th, 2005 at 1:41 pm
I have identical twin, teenage bipolar sons. Tom Cruise is a dangerous dude. He has no idea what he’s talking about. He attacks Matt Lauer for not being responsible, but how responsible is it that he give millions of people (and kids) the idea that meds are a bad thing? Now THAT’s dangerous, not to mention irresponsible. I believe this starts the downfall of his career - we’re now seeing the ‘real’ Tom that his publicist kept under wraps all this time. What an IDIOT. Spielberg must be shaking in his boots
June 29th, 2005 at 12:24 pm
Dogma of any kind stops individual thought, but as this is a form of social suicide, let him jump.
July 1st, 2005 at 4:08 am
someone should tell tom that psychiatry and psychology are different disciplines he fails to distinguish one from the other the fact that he uses these terms interchangeably shows his ignorance
July 1st, 2005 at 6:08 am
Dear Katie Holmes,
Once you have married this imbecile (since you sold out and want the possible movie roles that come with being so recognizable), please Baker Act him into a psychiatry ward. It is clear that Mr. Cruise hates “anti psychotics” and psychiatrists for a personal reason, and chooses to hide behind a sci fi writer’s made up “religion” to justify it. He needs your help! Its classic “severe-homophobic-is-really-gay”-itis, just about being crazy instead.
Love,
Most everyone.
July 1st, 2005 at 6:24 am
It is certainly nice to see some good sense in the world. Cruise is merely a token of a prevelant type of person: the Convinced. The beauty of the scientific worldview, with all its flaws and pitfalls, is its love of doubt. Those who can doubt can explore. And, as we all know, life without exploration is stasis: things that are static tend to rot.
B
July 1st, 2005 at 7:02 am
Tom Cruise is full of shit. He has no idea what he’s talking about and needs to shut the hell up. Hey Tom, when did you get your MD? Have you ever suffered serious depression? I doubt it because if you had, you would not be out here making these ridiculous comments. I take the medication Cymbalta and I have never felt better after years of struggling to control my moods depression. I tried counseling, change of diet, exercise and all these other things you claim should work instead of having to depend on pills. Guess what? Those never helped me. And yes Tom, there is such a thing as a chemical imbalance in the brain. In fact, I think you have one, and it has nothing to do with depression, but more of ignorance about something you know nothing about. Whatever helps someone to lead a better life is okay by me.
July 1st, 2005 at 7:26 am
Tom Cruise is an uninformed person regarding psychiatry. Not only is he uninformed, his remarks are dangerous. To instruct that a person under prescribed medication should stop taking it and replace the meds with vitamins is irresponsible, and quite frankly, dangerous. I know that he is an actor who needs publicity, and that’s fine. However, he is an uneducated man who did not even finish high school. How much science could he possibly have studied as a high school drop out? Cruise should stick to acting and allow medically trained physicians to handle post-partum depression.
July 1st, 2005 at 8:04 am
As a Paramedic, I can tell you that Cruise is a prime example of a fool that thinks he knows everything about medicine. But let’s face it, he’s always been a pompous ass. Did anyone see the gag where the interviewer nailed him with a squirtgun microphone? He acted like a petulant child. The bordering on the line of insanity offense he took at that was preposterous, and proves what an (sorry but the word fits) ASSHOLE he is.
July 1st, 2005 at 8:52 am
Tom Cruise has gone the way of Michael Jackson, if one is rich and famous for too long, one goes bonkers, add Scientology to the mix and look out!!
Scientology is a dangerous cult that must be stopped, if you don’t believe me go to “Google” and type “Scientolgy , Suicide” and you will quickly see that this is not fun and games. I’m not a religious person, but Scientology reeks of evil, and if anything was the “the Devils work” , this would be it!
July 1st, 2005 at 10:35 am
Tom Cruise is an idiot. First off, I used to respect him as an actor. Now, since he’s become a doctor without actually obtaining his medical degree and offering his “Dr Tom Cruise advice” to millions of people via the NBC Today Show, I have completely written him off as an idiot/actor. He was insulting to Matt Lauer, and furthermore insulting to Brooke Shields and millions of people watching this jerk. Ok, this should sum it up for all actors who might read this. “YOU ARE AN ACTOR” be really good at that, and folks will support you and shell out their hard-earned dough to see your movies. You are not a Doctor or Politician. No one cares what you think in regards to their medical issues or whether are not you support the current political admistration or whatever. Go and live on your hill and swap wives every few years, and lets talk about what and how that effects your kids lives. That, in my opinion is what Tom Crusie can speak about and have direct knowledge first hand.
By the way, We are not going to see the new movie War of the Worlds now. Thats 5 tickets lost.
July 1st, 2005 at 11:19 am
Geez… what you’d expect from someone like Tom Cruise whom barely finished high school talking about psychiatry?? Duuhh… he’s not a big star, all his last movies suck… he needs publicity ’cause he’s 40 something, he’s not popular anymore.. and also brainless. He must be on crack or something to talk about post partum depression in the way he did.
Tom Cruise.. you better focus in your career, you’re an actor (well that’s what the magazines said), not a doctor!! Idiot, ignorant!! Better start taking something for your Alzheimer…
July 1st, 2005 at 12:34 pm
Tom Cruise is a pathetic little man. Did Scientology teach him anything about commitment. Mimi Rogers, Nicole Kidman, Penelope Cruz and now Katie Holmes and who know what others?
He is an outrageous dwarf of a man and a Tom Cat to boot.
He is a prime example of someone who has been brainwashed.
Poor Katie, a Catholic girl, who has to now embrace such a ridiculous Cult and make no mistake, that is what Scientology is - a freaking cult. Grow up Tommie Boy.
July 1st, 2005 at 12:36 pm
Xenu lives, though, imprisoned on a planet in an electromagnetic field. Unless we clear our bodies of body thetans, we will continue to suffer. Watch out for Xenu!
July 1st, 2005 at 12:36 pm
Does that stupid man give any thought to what his children will think of his bizarre behaviour?
He is an education deprived lunatic.
Anyone reading the transcript of his interview with Matt Lauer surely will realize the extent of his ignorance and his lack of any original ideas.
He is a puppet of that stupid Scientology crap.
And, to boot, he is completely nutso.
July 1st, 2005 at 2:36 pm
I used to like Tom Cruise now he make my stomach turn. There is nothing more revolting than someone preaching about something they have no education, knowledge, or experience with.
Tom-You get paid to PRETEND to be other people….you need to stick to that. Unlike what you may believe…us little people out here do have brains, high school diplomas, college degrees and we prefer to get our medical advice from someone with the appropriate PHD. We do not need your devine guidance to make the appropriate choices in our lives. Thanks, but no thanks.
July 1st, 2005 at 2:44 pm
Hi guys, I am a scientologist.
Can you explain the heavy destructive era of psychiatry? Why so many attempts to destroy the individual instead of helping him?
I fundamentally do not believe that mental illness is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. There might be a chemical imbalance that can be proved, but that would be because of the spirit causing it. Adrenalin, another chemical substance, is created by the body when danger occur. You see? It’s caused by the mind detecting danger etc.
Mind over matter, not the other way around, is a motto I believe in. You must understand that the spirit makes the postulates over MEST (Matter, Energy, Space and Time). We, as spritual beings control much more than we think we do.
Mind over matter.
Psychiatry does not believe in spiritual beings, it believes in biological causes. Right?
I know at least two people that has been fully blown clinically depressed, and a couple more that has been on anti-depressants. A childhood friend of mine developed schizofrenia in his twenties, he was on Leponex and Cipramil (Prozac) for years and I doubt that was healthy for his brain. Although we don’t have much contact nowadays he’s told he’s hearing voices etc. That’s sort of really disturbing and scary to hear from someone you’ve had as a friend for like ten years. He stated that he really didn’t think psychiatry worked. Another person I know spent some time in a mental hospital, she didn’t do medication though which I think was good for her.
Based on those experiences, perhaps psychiatry has helped sometimes, and sometimes it hasn’t. It clearly and obviously however hasn’t solved the problem of mental illness, that is something we all must agree on. Psychiatry is more about trying to change the patients condition in some direction. It’s like taking alcohol when you’re sad. It might lift you up that evening but the problem reminds next day.
Scientology can however dig deeper due to the fact that the mental images in the mind can get contacted, resulting in negative charges being blown. This can result in a better health condition, when the basic cause of mental illness are removed. I’ve read about cases where epilepsy has been cured for example. Studdering, manic-depressive syndroms etc. most probably origin from the reactive mind. Dianetics then offers a more sustainable way out of mental illness, although the cure for mental illness is not the basic purpose of Dianetics, it might come as a nice side effect though.
You can bla bla about your Seronotin levels all you want, that’s purely BIOLOGICAL.
I have two questions for you:
1) Do you believe in the human spirit?
2) Do you believe in past lives?
Nick
July 1st, 2005 at 3:22 pm
1) No.
2) No, I am capable of rational thought.
Go here for more information about the stupid cult you joined. And let me know when you’ve finished clearing yourself of body thetans, I’ll have a shot of thorazine waiting for you.
July 1st, 2005 at 5:38 pm
Tom Cruise has jumped the shark. Pure idiot.
July 1st, 2005 at 5:44 pm
TOM CRUISE IS AN IDIOT, and an uneducated one at that. I have worked in the medical profession for many years, and yes, there IS such a thing as a chemical imbalance. There are also hormone imbalances and several medical conditions that can cause severe depression and mental status changes. People by the tens of thousands have been SUCCESSFULLY treated with prescription antidepressants that have given them back their normal lives. Scientology is a bunch of hogwash.
I heard a rumor that Tom didn’t even finish
high school. Whether or not it is true, he most
certainly does NOT have the educational background needed to go on live television and make the comments he made about medicine. He
needs to stick to acting, and his new girlfriend
needs to put her hand over his mouth and shut him up.
July 1st, 2005 at 5:54 pm
I have been surprised that no schizophrenics have posted on this board before me. So first some background so you can see where I am coming from. I was diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic when I was 14. I had been hearing voices for years before that, and at the time believed people were reading my mind. Ironically, at this time my mental age was 19.9. (That means I have a very high I.Q./achievement level)
First of all, the drugs don’t cause the hallucinations, the drug attempt to stop hallucinations. Granted, they don’t always work, but it is one or maybe even two hells of a lot better than what the scientologists do.
Second, just look up Zenu in the wiki. You’ll see whose crazy.
Third, Tom Cruise just happens to be Dyslexic. A mental condition. I know why you still have trouble reading, you ass.
Fourth, the drugs worked for me.
Fifth, even if they did nothing physically, and still worked, it would be the same as the placebo effect in scientology.
I hope you die in obscurity Tom, so I won’t nknow where to go to deface your tombstone.
July 1st, 2005 at 8:53 pm
Tom Cruise, Travolta, and his idiot wife can all go to hell and take their idiot “religion” with them. Dr. Cruise needs to graduate from high school before he gives his assanine opinions.
July 1st, 2005 at 8:55 pm
Oh, and uhm, “Nick”, you are a fucking moron.
July 1st, 2005 at 9:11 pm
Tom Cruise needs to deal with a child that has a real severe case of ADHD like my nephew. If he didn’t have the medications that he takes he would not be able to function in school as a normal student. Before his ritilin (spelling?) he was in special ed classes, and teased harshly. Now he is in regular classes and does extremly well in school. And as for post partum depression, he has NO IDEA! I had it so bad with my first child, good job for Brooke Shields to come out and discuss how hard it was for her and how she got through it. Scientology is a bunch of CRAP! Who wants to take medical advice from Tom Cruise anyhow, he is creep!
July 1st, 2005 at 11:44 pm
Thanks to anti-psychotic drugs, I am able to visit friends without jumping on their furniture!
July 1st, 2005 at 11:49 pm
Oh, and Nick…yes, I do believe in the human spirit and I definitely believe in past lives. In my past life, I was disabled by repeated episodes of severe major depression. In my new life, I am healthy, productive, and full of human spirit…as well as some psychiatric drugs.
July 2nd, 2005 at 1:16 am
Tom is manifesting the classic signs of a drug induced psychotic disorder. His disorganized appearance on Oprah; his tangential conversation with Matt; his paranoid delusions regarding organized psychiatry. All are symptoms of his drug-induced psychosis. The drug - likely a narcissistic reaction to his inflated ego. Tom - check into a clinic and get the demons audited so you can be cleared. Then get on your spaceship, travel to Xenu the princess warrior and screw a thetan.
July 2nd, 2005 at 1:20 am
Wholy crap, your reactions are really fascinating! Guys and gals, if anti-depressants or anti-psychotic medication worked for you, that’s great. I’m not going to stop you, anything that works is good. I’m not going to invalidate your wins. If it’s true for you, it’s true for you.
Timothy, is there any, slightest, smallest possibility that we actually are spiritual beings? Likewise, is there any possibility at all that we have lived before this life? Or do you totally, absolutely with no doubt at all just rule it out as not something to even look into?
Because I think it’s interesting that there exists evidence for us being spiritual beings, or thetans (from the Greek letter Theta, meaning thought, i.d. the spirit himself) on scio-lingo. People (not just in scientology) have been outside their bodies etc. Should we just rule that out as some wacko BS?
I think every perspective and angle are worth investigating further. Galileo was sent into jail for stating that the earth was round. The priests of that time obviously had a very conservative viewpoint, that’s why I always courage a liberal perspective.
Scientology deals with the MIND, while psychiatrists deals with the BRAIN. Mental illnesses are not caused by biologic factors, they are caused by spiritual factors. Drugs seems to be able to soften the symptoms, but they will not erase the mental illness.
Nick
July 2nd, 2005 at 1:23 am
The voices - the voices! They call to me! Why don’t they stop? Give me my vitamins. Oh, where are they? Did you take them? Did you?!!! Give them back - Oh wait, who is that? Are you following me? Get Away! Oh, shut up, shut up!! Why won’t you stop?! No, I won’t do that. I won’t. Oh Brooke baby, I’m so sorry. Where the hell are my vitamins?! I need to clear. I want to be cleared. OK, how much will it cost? Who is that? What do you want? Why do you follow?
July 2nd, 2005 at 1:26 am
Nick, is English your second language or are you an uneducated dimwit who cannot construct a sentence?
July 2nd, 2005 at 1:29 am
Nick oh Nick my savior thank you will you help me stop the voices they keep following oh make them stop audit them away please the pain oh the pain but i cannot relate my friends they say i don’t empathize but what do they know oh shut up stop feeding me these ideas nick make it go away please oh nick baby
July 2nd, 2005 at 1:42 am
SOME FACTS ABOUT AUDITING
Questions for all you guys at this forum:
1) Have any of you read any Scientology books?
2) Have you done any auditing?
3) Have you done any courses?
I’m not talking about that Xenu stuff now, I’m talking about first and foremost the Reactive Mind, where mental image pictures containing pain, unconciousness and disemotions are stored, being able to be restimulated later in life, causing pains, sadness, even mental illnesses such as bi-polar, depression etc for no particular reason.
Bi-polar for example is known to origin from an engram (mental image picture containing unconciousness) containing those very two syndroms: Manic and Depression. It COULD be two phrases, such as somebody screaming: “You are happy!” and later in the engram somebody says “You feel bad, don’t you?” The engram gets restimulated for some reason and starts a circular reactivation, causing these two conditions.
For any bi-polar, my suggestions is: Quit the medication, read Dianetics and try the auditing for free at some local org. Then audit with a friend or something, without E-meter. For free. Try to find the incident(s) that are casuing your mental disease. If it doesn’t work out, go back to your medication and feel happy you’ve at least TRIED Dianetics.
Auditing comes from the word audio meaning “sound” or “listening”. The Auditor (The listener) guides the Pre-Clear (the guy getting audited, he is PRE-clear before he’s reached the state of Clear, where the Reactive Mind has been erased) through different incidents such as pain, sorrow, unconciousness etc. etc. That can come from a life before this life.
The auditor uses an E-meter (Electro meter), NOT a lie detector. It sends a very weak current (you don’t feel it, I think about 2 Volts) through the PC’s body, and most importantly also though his mind (the Mental Image Pictures, NOT a part of his brain or body, it surrounds the PC in space or something), where mental images are stored.
When things happen during the auditing, the energy in the mind changes, and this is seen on the E-meter. The needle movements come in all sorts of different sizes and shapes and is used to guide the preclear through the incidents.
The Pre-Clear re-tells the memory over and over again, getting more and more details out of it, remembering more and more, until finally the negative incident is AS-IS:ed, that is, it is confronted exactly as it is with no distortions. Then the negative energy in it goes away, or blows on scientology lingo.
This is something I’ve experiences myself and is quite a feeling.
The auditing goes on and on until finally enough incidents have been blown and your so called Reactive Mind has been erased, this can take hundreds of hours, less or more. The reactive mind contains negative energy and its purpose was originally probably to warn about dangerous situations. However, it can cause heavy problems due to it’s unability do differentiate between different things. It thinks A=A=A, e.g. Milk=pain=elbow.
So for example, if the PC drops a glass of MILK it might create a HURTING ELBOW, because an earlier incident containing this information in the reactive mind gets restimulated again (this of course demands that an incident before involves MILK and a HURTING ELBOW). This might explain some strange pains or emotions a person might feel from time to time that are unexplainable.
Well, these are the basic principles. There’s much more to it than that, but…
On higher levels you work with decisions you’ve taken that you have forgotten, but still have an effect on you today.
Nick
July 2nd, 2005 at 1:46 am
to NICK THE DICK
Yes, ha, English is my second language. Can you tell? Damn, I need to work on it better.
July 2nd, 2005 at 1:56 am
to Tom “The Man” Cruise,
Have I ever said that Vitamins will make voices go away? Scientology Organizations of today are over-reacting regarding psychiatry. Although I’m very skeptical about psychiatric drugs, this is a free world where adults can do what they want?
If anybody wants to take medication, it’s up to them. Scientology TOTALLY being against psychiatry creates more harm then good. They need to soften up a little.
July 2nd, 2005 at 2:26 am
Scientology promotes vitamins, but discounts the use of lithium chloride, which is an element, in fact, an elemental salt, not unlike the salt combined by sodium and chloride. For some reason, the bipolar brain responds to increased levels of this salt and it has no effect on other brains.
Why is lithium, AN ELEMENT LIKE OXYGEN or CARBON, considered such a terrible threat to the human body?
I did read Dianetics several years ago. To be honest, I felt like it sounded more like the rantings of a paranoid schizophrenic than a guide to spirituality. I respect the right of the Scientology organization to disagree with science. However, I think it’s very wrong for celebrity members to try to use their influence so irresponsibly.
July 2nd, 2005 at 2:55 am
Jennifer,
Well, threat and threat… its use is based on the biological viewpoint.
I’m interested in scientific reports about that bi-polar brain reaction, have you got any link?
Like I stated, mental illness origin from the mind, not the brain. This purely physical viewpoint is a little bit narrow, what about the spiritual part?
July 2nd, 2005 at 7:11 am
Nick:
It depends what you mean by “possibility”. I mean, in the most technical of senses we live in a universe of infinite possibility so it is “possible” that we’re spiritual beings. However, within the bounds of actual, you know, science, no. But, seeing as your God/Scientology/Xenu/Cult hypothesis is non-falsifiable, it’s useless from any sort of standpoint. The whole mind/body separation in modern thought is really Descartes’ fault, that bastard should’ve stuck to math. In any case, I categorically reject all that superstitious clap-trap, all belief in spirits or magic, God, gods, that crap about Xenu, and Catholic Girls. Why? Because I can think properly and, as mentioned above, supernatural hypotheses aren’t falsifiable and therefore useless.
That said, if you want to join up in some pay-per-view cult, hell, that’s your own lookout. So long as you don’t, say, show up on an obscure college magazine website to defend one of your members from ridicule, ne’er our twain shall meet. Of course, I’ll still think you’re a crackpot, but that’s not really my problem.
Question: I am of the opinion that all Scientologists are weak-minded, foolish, and the sorts of people so desparate for approval they join up in the first thing that seems to work. Also, I think L. Ron Hubbard was a crank, not to mention a totally unreadable hack. Does this make me SP? Will y’all be sending out the OSA on my ass? If so, bring it, assholes.
Let’s see, brain chemistry and bipolar disorder. A general index of stuff from JAMA can be found here. However, this study on imaging studies in bipolar kids might be the most on-target. I fully expect that your addled mind will manage to reject these for some made up reason or another, but there’s also this stuff from the New England Journal of Medicine.
I still think the most interesting part is that you showed up in a fairly obscure corner of the web to defend one of your own. Maybe the conspiratorial theories about L. Ron’s sychophants are true…hrm…curiouser and curiouser.
July 2nd, 2005 at 7:34 am
Because I think it’s interesting that there exists evidence for us being spiritual beings, or thetans (from the Greek letter Theta, meaning thought, i.d. the spirit himself) on scio-lingo. People (not just in scientology) have been outside their bodies etc. Should we just rule that out as some wacko BS?
Yes, yes we should rule it out as wacko BS. The same way we rule out the ravings of folks who’ve been “abducted by aliens” as either lies for attention or delusions. The same way we, we being the rational humans in the room, rule out the ravings of paranoid schizophrenics who aren’t John Nash*.
* Nash’s work has been independently verified, and not by a sycophantic cult-following either, nay, by skeptical mathemeticians and economists.
July 2nd, 2005 at 10:18 am
The makers of Eskalith (a lithium choice) have published severala peer review articles in medical journals on studies relating to lithium in nonbipolar patients…if you’re interested in this, I’d start there.
~~~I believe very strongly in the human spirit as well as the biology. I underwent several years of group and individual counseling to work out any psychological factors that might be contributing to my bipolar sympotms. But in the end, there is still an imbalance in my brain that is not caused by any emotional trauma.
If you are really interested in learning more about the biological aspects of mental illness, I suggest you research the PET scans of depressed patients compared to control subjects. The brain has literally shut down most fuctions. Now, you may say that this is because the person needs spiritual guidance, vitamins, and exercise. But for someone like me, who was healthy, ate a balanced diet, exercised, took vitamins, and had a fulfilling spiritual life at the time of my first major depression, that doesn’t hold up.
As a side note, fluoride toothpaste can cause hippocampal brain damage. I’m thinking that all the brushing Tom is doing for his million dollar smile may be the reason for his strange behavior…
July 2nd, 2005 at 11:14 am
Tom Cruise is completley nuts, but I do agree that he’s right about one thing - drugs are too frequently prescribed to children. We don’t know enough about what they could do to a developing brain. 10 years ago, boys would be boys….we don’t want to discipline the little angels, so we drug them into a stupor, instead…it’s just easier…but it’s not right.
July 2nd, 2005 at 1:44 pm
I agree that drugs are overprescribed to children and adults. I am a teacher and one of my students was a very bright, but lazy in his school work habits. His overachieving parents could not accept that he could willfully be avoiding schoolwork and had him diagnosed as ADHD. This child was so far from ADHD it was incredible. I spoke with three of his previous teachers and they all agreed that there was no way he met the criteria. But, rather than accept their precious angel just didn’t want to do his work, he is now labled disabled because he can not do his work!
July 2nd, 2005 at 3:18 pm
Well, I was searching the web and found this, the university of Oregon? I’ve actually been to Oregon, Portland and Eugene, it was a very nice state, much more nature than Sweden where I come from. Are you guys all studying to become psychiatrists or psychologists?
Anyway, I wouldn’t say I’m weak minded Timothy, although I have to be open to that I might be, one should always be open to anything.
I was very reluctant to Scientology at first, my dad got into it and I was like: What the hell, crap cult etc. Then I read some books for kicks, but I still wasn’t interested.
One day I told him he should quit, and then he said: Hasn’t Scientology helped you a lot? I thought about it for a short moment and then realized, yes, it actually had. From that day I considered myself a scientologist. By my own will.
Although I believe psychiatry has helped some people, the brutal history of psychiatry is interesting. Why does it has such a brutal history? If you compare it to scientology and all the “brutalness” it has been accused of, psychiatry would easily win. Over 50 000 people lobotomized in the US, 4 500 in Sweden where I live. Why is that? Why did they so quickly adapt to such a destructive method?
http://www.lobotomy.info
And the ECT, how the hell could any sane, rational being give ECT without sedatives to people like they did in the 50’s etc?? We are talking Saddam torture camp here. Wtih tax payers money. Jeeez….
http://www.ect.org
And the insuline chock treatment, and nowadays the heavy drugs, some of them out on the street, like Ritalin for example. Is more drugs the solution?
I’m just saying “Hello?”. Why is the history of psychiatry like that? Is there any reason?
Nick
July 2nd, 2005 at 3:46 pm
Like all medical disciplines, psychiatry does have a barbaric past. Unfortunately, medical advancements are made in a trial and error fashion until something that works is discovered.
All I can say is, I see a psychiatrist who treats me as a whole person. He understands my family dynamic, my career, my personal interests. He has seen the devastation bipolar disorder has visited on me and how incapacitated I have been by it. He has helped me explore ways to help control the symptoms through biofeedback, relaxation, and counseling. But because this is a veritable illness, I also need to take some medications to keep my brain (and yes, my mind) functioning.
I too thought that psychiatric medications were for the weak, the less evolved, or those who were looking for a quick fix. Because of this, I lost out on 15 years of my life.
Out of curiosity, how did you find this website over there in Sweden? I found it by typing “Tom Cruise is such an ass” into Yahoo. I’m wondering if you did the same? :)
July 2nd, 2005 at 4:15 pm
Google and I think Cruise scientology and then a few pages later… The world is really globalized nowadays.
Well, if psychiatry has worked for you, good for you. One of the problems though is that your bipolar disorder remains, right? Psychiatry has eased the symptoms.
Funny though, when I got a bad flu about six years ago I afterwords developed some kind of “easy” bi-polar experience for a couple of weeks. It was sort of interesting. I would feel “very high” for some hours, and then it would go down into a “low mode”, and then return. All kinds of specific, different conditions recurring over and over again in cycles. It strenghtened my belief that it was an engram in cycle. It was very hands-on, but I guess not as developed as real bi-polar disorder. It went away by itself though after some weeks.
Well, the reactive mind can play tricks on you, all kinds of tricks. I have no doubt that chemical substances such as medical drugs, plain drugs or some plain simple alcohol affect you - for a moment, but not for life, at least not in a good way.
That’s why auditing can create a more sustainable effect. I remember one time, when I was auditing that very flu incident I described above. I was in LA on a course. We went through, i.e. audited, the incident of illness over and over again, I felt quite tired of it.
Then suddenly, I felt like “expanding spiritually”, I don’t really know how to describe it. Like a burden was lift of you, like the feeling of being in love perhaps? I was expanding and expanding, almost scary, because I was thinking… Jeeez, when is this going to stop? Expanding…. then it stopped. Wow! From that moment on I was dead-on certain that auditing was not just BS made up crap. WOW! What the hell was that?? I LITERALLY felt energy streaming out of me… it probably lasted for a couple of hours, but man… I never forget that. If that was imagination, hell, it’s worth it baby. What happened was probably that I blew some mental energy charge. Like I said, I’ll never ever forget that moment.
That’s some of my experiences.
July 2nd, 2005 at 5:13 pm
Hmmm. Seems maybe someone has struck one of Nick’s nerves, or slapped his thetan…..
July 2nd, 2005 at 6:11 pm
THe problem Nick is that Cruise is basing his comments on ignorant ramblings and propoganda rather than facts.
He really offended a lot of people, and I hope it ruins his career. I can’t figure out what Katie Holmes sees in an idiot like him. He’s an overgrown child, always has been and always will be.
All hios ramblings on Today were exactly that…..ramblings. Modern psychiatry has done a lot to help people with mental disorders. Whenever I do a 911 call for a true psychological emergency, generally 1 of 3 things happens.
1. It’s acute, like a panic attack. Example: I did a call a few weeks ago for a 24 year old female with no medical hx at all, who could not breath and was barely responsive. Why? Well, it was finals week,she broke up with her boyfriend, and she was afraid she may be failing organic chemistry which would hold her back from her med school application process another semester. We calmed her down, a counselor spoke with her, and she was discharged feeling much better without any drug therapy at all.
2. The person has never been diagnosed before and for one reason or other is having an acute episode other than something like anxiety. Something along the lines of paranoid schitzophrenia manifesting itself in an acute episode for the forst time.
3. The person functions normally if they take their meds, and decided to stop taking them or has been ill and has not been compliant. These people have SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN CHEMICAL IMBALANCES and must be on medication to live a productive life. No amount of spirituality will help them, and as a matter of fact those that are religious/spiritual have hallucinations of demons or whatnot trying to possess them.
Scientology has been proven to be an absolutely idiotic belief over and over. Ramblings from fools like Cruise don’t help your position any. Especially when he gets angry over people taking medications they need.
Now, I will admit there are a lot of kids on ritalin and such, and that ADHD seems in a lot of cases to be kjust a kid acting out like kids are wont to do. But, that doesn’t disprove psychiatry as a whole, and you have to be a very uneducated and ignorant person to think it does.
July 2nd, 2005 at 6:15 pm
Just like any physical disease, the symptoms will always be there. Bipolar disorder is an illness, not a mindstate. Last year, scientists located the gene that carries bipolar and schizophrenia, both of which are present in our family tree.
Your “bipolar-like episode” does not sound anything like the horrific extremes of true bipolar episodes. If you are truly interested in learning about bipolar, “audit” a mental health support group, where you will find a balance to the information you are receiving from your organization.
July 2nd, 2005 at 6:23 pm
Well I go on duty very shortly, but I have time to answer Nick there. Nick, you’re playing an old game of double talk. Here’s a few questions for you that invalidate your complaints about the history of psychiatry…yeah the key word being HISTORY, you know, the learning process we all go through in life that even professionals must go through in the development of science.
You ask why Psychiatry has a brutal history. Ok, sure. I can answer that….with a few questions for you to answer.
1. Why does mankind have a brutal history?
2. Why do we have serial killers and rapists? Shouldn’t they be more spiritual and love their fellows?
3. Why do we fight wars?
4. Why does religion have a brutal history? Why have they oppressed, tortured and murdered people to force their beliefs on those that don’t want them (kind of like forcing the belief of not having to take a medication on a person whos life is a nightmare without it)?
5. Why would you let someone suffer when counseling or talking to others alone does not help them and their quality of life is ruined?
6. Why have Psychiatrists championed the rights of the mentally ill and ended such brutal practices liek those you cite if they are evil people bent on ruining others lives?
7. How can a movie star with no medical knowledge at all sput propoganda and expect the rest of us to take it as scientific fact?
Sorry man, all of you scientologists are the same. You twist facts, cite barbatic techniques that were ended as we became more enlightened, and try to point out the psych drugs on the streets today. Guess what? There will always be those that abuse any substance that we come across, but that;s no excuse to make others suffer.
July 3rd, 2005 at 12:21 am
oh nickie i want you so badly don’t worry you know katie is a ruse i want you you clear me . . .oh stop. . .you had me at i want you oh baby do it to me with your e-box yeah right there oh you’re you’re so not pc do it one more time
July 3rd, 2005 at 12:24 am
i once know a man named nick
who really was a big dick
then he read dianetics
and developed his fetish
for sticking an e-box in his prick
July 3rd, 2005 at 12:26 am
You all are so immature. Are you sure you are in college?
July 3rd, 2005 at 12:29 am
Nick,
I find your insight into mental illness fascinating. Do your theories hold true for other disease states as well? Or do your theories only apply to one organ, the brain? Can you clear diabetics? Can you audit cancer? It would be so cool if you could. Hanging on your response, I am, faithfully yours, Siggie
July 3rd, 2005 at 1:08 am
Hmmmmm….limericks….well-written, funny, yet a bit harsh for our Nick.
Maybe Tom Cruise is a better target
July 3rd, 2005 at 1:14 am
First of all, I would like to know what a hell kind of forum this is? Is it for Psychiatrists?? Could somebody please tell me.
I would also like to know why some people here behave like they are either mentally retarded or about 14 years old? Did you let the patients in here as well?
Sigmund,
I don’t think cancer could be audited out. I don’t think any scientologist think so. Diabetics? I don’t think so either. Although some physical diseases might be able to track back to the Reactive Mind, there is actually something called bacterias, cancer etc. If somebody cut of your arm, would you be able to audit it back? Of course not.
Jay,
Your arguments for brutal history are laughable. The difference between all those historic engagements and psychiatry, is that psychiatry says it HELPS people. Its mission is to CURE people. How the hell is that accomplished with lobotomy, making them lose their brainfunctions etc?
I cannot either take responsability for what Cruise says in the media.
Regarding the scientifically proven imbalance, I don’t doubt that. There’s certainly a chemical imbalance, but CAUSED by the mind.
If somebody can’t drive a bus, why do you psychiatrists put extra big and soft bumpers on it? Why do you put bullet-proof glass in it? Why do you ask all the passengers to buckle up twice in the seats? Why not get to the real problem? The driver? (In this case, the easiest would be to exchange him).
Nick
July 3rd, 2005 at 1:15 am
there once was a man named cruise
whose ego deseved a big bruise
then he went onto oprah
and jumped on a sofa
his popularity he would soon lose
July 3rd, 2005 at 1:21 am
And Jay…
Please, “Scientology has been proven to be an absolutely idiotic belief over and over.”
What a hell are you talking about? Can’t you acknowledge anything good about scientology? I have acknowledged some good things about psychiatry. Now you’re behaving just like Cruise, totally refusing too see anything good with something else than your “religion”. That makes it hard to take you seriously.
I’ve heard of cases where epilepsy has been cured with auditing for example.
Nick
July 3rd, 2005 at 1:21 am
My dearest Nickie,
Thank you so much for answering me. It means a lot to met to know that you care.
Would your negative answer apply to brain cancer too? How about when brain cancer causes pressure in the brain to build up and subsequent psychotic symptoms develop? If you cannot audit out the cancer can you at least clear the psychotic symptoms that develop? How about when cirrhotics develop hepatic encephalopathy? Can you audit the psychiatric manifestations of this disease as well?
Once again, I am indeed hanging upon your promptmost of prompt responses, Siggie
July 3rd, 2005 at 1:26 am
Nick
I misspoke. Scientology has not been proven to be a absolutely idiotic belief over nd over. It has only been proven to be a moronic belief over and over. It has clearly been shown that Xenu, for example, was only a moron, not an idiot. Now, my suspicion is that you may actually fall between in the imbecilic range but only a true psychologist, administering an IQ test would know for sure. Of course, it would help if he had you hooked up to an e-box during the examination so he could audit your responses simultaneously.
Jay
July 3rd, 2005 at 1:30 am
Lobotomy could sometimes cause epilepsy. I don’t doubt that physical symptoms such as brain cancer can cause misbehaviour in the brain. If you don’t eat, you will start to feel bad and might also be depressed because of this. Yes, we agree on that one.
The important thing here is to find out when the mental disease originates from the mind, and when it originates from physical causes.
Do you agree that there might be mental illness caused by the mind, or originate from the mind? Or the spirit itself?
July 3rd, 2005 at 1:36 am
Jay, are you a working psychiatrist? Your responses are insulting and you are not getting to the point. I’m worried about your patients being helped by a person calling somebody, who has studied 5 years at the university, “you may actually fall between in the imbecilic range” etc.
This is totally ridiculous. Answer the questions and don’t behave like you’re 18 years old, perhaps you are?
Nick
July 3rd, 2005 at 1:37 am
And what a hell is an E-box? Are you talking about the E-meter?
July 3rd, 2005 at 1:37 am
Oh Nickie,
You do love me! Thank you again for responding in such a prompt fashion with such an informed answer! Your mind fascinates me. To think, when you don’t eat, you may start to feel bad! Please, oh please, tell me: How do you tell when mental disease originates from the mind and when it originates from physical causes? Does a serotonin imbalance, as demonstrated in the lab, constitute a physical cause or does the serotonin imbalance originate from the mind? Oh, I am so confused and I just know you can straighten me out.
Oh, Nickie, please help me. Yours, as always, Siggie
July 3rd, 2005 at 1:39 am
Nick
I never knew that you studied at the University for five years. With that information, I must modify my assessment. After five years of study, you truly are an idiot not an imbecile after all.
Jay
July 3rd, 2005 at 2:11 am
Okay, first off the Tom Cruise limerick was hysterical, whether you’re a scientologist or not.
Second, I am not 14 or a psychiatrist. I’m a 36 year old school teacher. Dianetics is not on this year’s required reading ,I’m afraid.
Third, if scientology helps you, then do it and you have my support. However, when you claim that your way is the only way, you lose my support.
Fourth, since scientology has all these hot celebrities, how can I get one of those physical assists the website talks about?
July 3rd, 2005 at 2:12 am
That’s a very interesting questions you’ve got there Sigmund. When does the mental illness originate from the body, and when does it originate from the mind?
I have no scientifically proven answer, carefully examined and tested by educated persons to that question, so I can only make some GUESSES, in TRYING to search for answers about mental illnesses.
Mind over matter (or perhaps spirit over matter), must be understood. It’s NOT the other way around. We, as thetans, spiritual beings, control the MEST (Matter, Energy, Space and Time) universe by making postulates and decisions. We control much more than we think we do.
I believe that mental illnesses are caused by the mind, not the body. Ok, ok, ok. That brain tumor causing psychotic reactions? What if the brain tumor turned something on in the mind that caused the psychotic reaction? I highly doubt that every person who gets a brain tumor develop psychotic reactions.
I mean, I’ve had strange reactions of my body when I’ve been stressed for example. I’m just so totally convinced that we create much of this mental disorders “by ourselves”, NOT always, like in severe mental illness (then it’s the minds fault), but otherwise. This is BASED on my very own experiences, developing strange pains near the heart, thinking it’s a heart attack or something, when it really was caused by apparent stress.
I mean man, come on. Of course about 70-80 % of all mental illnesses are psychosomatic. Come one, almost all the “mental syndroms” I’ve ever had, I’ve been able to track back to specificic incidents or stressed moments.
But you psychiatrists. No, no. It’s all biological. Somebody gets anxiety attacks, oh, yes, it’s a chemical imbalance. Have you investigated the persons background? Oh, she was severely beaten by her dad as a kid? WAIT A MINUTE! Perhaps THAT has something to do with it? Perhaps there are actual incidents that causes these mental illnesses?
Guys, you need to get a grip of what the hell you are doing.
Nick
July 3rd, 2005 at 4:25 am
Jay,
You are one amusing son of a bitch. You’ve apparently lost the fight and now indulge yourself by engaging in personal attacks. Wow, I’m really impressed by your intellectual approach to this matter. I guess you are a patient, or a psychiatrist, or both? Jay, are you an adult psychiatrist? Think about your god damn reputation. You stupid moron dropped by mother as kid go soak yourself wet fuck-ass ! Wow, now I feel better. (I try to think about my reputation as a scientologist, perhaps I should call you a jerk).
Jennifer,
Although I like your joke, yes, you can try a touch assists. It unfortunately requires a body pain. Let’s say you have a headache in your forehead. You need an assistant. Lie down. Let the assistent touch your toe with one of his fingers, saying :
Assistant: “Do you feel my finger?”
If you feel his finger you say:
You: “Yes.”
Then he touches the same point (the toe), but on the other side of the spine, that is, the toe on your other foot.
Assistant: “Do you feel my finger?”
You: “Yes.”
Then the assistant works himself up from the toes (always start as far away from the brain as possible), alternating on each side of the spine all the time, touching different points, toes, legs, knees, hands, stomach, torso etc. up to brain. The communication is VERY important. Can you feel my finger? Yes.
When you come close to the point of pain, you do some extra there. E.g. pain in knee, do many extra touches so that the pain area is BETWEEN the brain and the finger touching.
Repeat. I’ve done this myself when I’ve had headache and it has sometimes totally gone away, I must say though that it was more on a temporarily basis. Perhaps it needs to be done many more times for it to completely go away? However, it was a fascinating experience.
Nick
July 3rd, 2005 at 7:37 am
Nick: Consider this a warning, any more multi-posting and you will be banned. You’re free to be crazy, and even to spam up our comments with your pro-scientology idiocy, but the multiposting stops or I ban you. That’s how we play around here.
July 3rd, 2005 at 7:41 am
Timothy,
Have you read my above post? The spamming were caused because your server said there was an ERROR when I pressed POST. Therefore I pressed it again… and again…. and nothing came up on the board. After about an hour when I checked it again they were ALL up.
Perhaps you should check your server instead of attacking me?
Nick
July 3rd, 2005 at 10:29 am
my dearest my dear my jennifer
only an affleck away from a bennifer
you have a great heart
and shop at k-mart
for a coat made of labia minora fur
July 3rd, 2005 at 10:43 am
That is just wrong on so many levels.
July 3rd, 2005 at 10:58 am
the girl liked limericks about nick and cruise, tom
when she walked down the street people called her the bomb
when one was written about her
it created a stir
even though it was pulled off with aplomb
July 3rd, 2005 at 12:10 pm
Tom had dyslexia, which is NOT the ame as ADD or ADDHD, for which many drugs are prescribed for kids.
What did you expect from someone immoral enough to be engaged to someone young enough to be his daughter! Yuck! Yeah, he loves her, just like he loved Nicole until she got to have her own ideas.
Well, he does belong to a quasi religious group founded by a science fiction writer with absollutely no medical credentials and no studies to prve any of his harebrained ideas. I would not want to cloud Tom’s opinion with fact. Christian- possibly; scientists - no way!
July 3rd, 2005 at 4:15 pm
jennifer lived in an anyhow town
with up so many many bells down
the poem she thought so very very wrong
was simply not so very very long
yet it hit so very very close to home
that it shocked and dismayed the pretty little gnome
the author should say he’s very very sorry
but that would result in yet another story
let’s just say that he’s quite content
to be regarded as twisted and bent
July 3rd, 2005 at 5:15 pm
Ok first off there are a lot of posts with “Jay” on it that I have not made. Maybe they are from another Jay, or just someone trying to discredit me. The proof is in the link at the bottom of the post…
Chemical imbalances have been proven. If you choose not to believe this just because your personal belief cannot accept scientific findings then that’s your problem. Your refusal to accept it doesn’t change it.
Also my history of brutality is not laughable, and would only appear so to one who can’t admit I raise a valid point. Psychiatry does help people, and it has changed dramatically. How does citing out dated practices that have been abolished prove that psychiatry is bad? To any intelligent person, it doesn’t…and it just shows a “grasping at straws” attempt to justify an uneducated position.
There is nothing spiritual about dopaminergic receptors, nictonic receptors, or the effects of serotonin if it is allowed to stay in post synaptic terminals w/o reuptake to the presynaptic terminal. It’s not just “in your head”.
What I hate about belief systems like scientology is the hole “you are wrong and I am right” mentality without any data whatsoever to back up their claims. You are expected to fall into line based upon the ignorant ramblings of persons that ultimately do more harm than good.
Sure…let’s get rid of psychiatry! Ok, we can let serail killers become more and more numerous. Or how about being happy about women getting raped….since we’ve killed the medical science that could possibly help and prevent those personalities from comitting the crime!
Anyways, you prove my point on just how ignorant you people truly are Nick. You bring up bruality in the past, but when I do it’s “laughable”. Quite a double standard you have going there for such an “enlightened” scientologist.
July 3rd, 2005 at 7:40 pm
All right, multiposters, here’s a brief lesson: If you get “internal server error” (because TotalChoice is having some problems, it seems) don’t bloody press post again, the comment is likely already there.
Duplicate posts will be deleted with extreme prejudice.
July 3rd, 2005 at 7:48 pm
Let’s see. Tom Cruise: Actor..Won: A few acting awards..blah blah…now the foremost on the history of psychiatry.
John Nash: Some math guy….Won: Nobel something…On: meds…gee, big hoax?
Catch a clue Tom. You Dink. (yea, dink with a capital D)
July 3rd, 2005 at 9:06 pm
I’ve got a pretty demented sense of humor,but the labia minora line seemed like something I would confiscate from a note from a junior high student where another student said, “Dude, I dare you to put labia minora in a sentence.”
That having been said, I am back on my anti-Tom campaign. Did you all know there’s a petition to boycott his movie with over 11,000 signatures on-line? Look it up!
July 3rd, 2005 at 9:08 pm
nick was worried about identity theft
indeed the perpetrators seemed very deft
they stole his name
and ruined his game
leaving him lonely and bereft
July 3rd, 2005 at 9:11 pm
someone dared to dare the dude
whom everyone agreed was being quite rude
it didn’t matter to him
as he said with a grin
i enjoy being raunchy and lude
July 3rd, 2005 at 9:54 pm
venus dared to call mister cruise a dink
she laughed and laughed as she said with a wink
a dink yes he is
because he takes a quick wizz
at a reporter who squirted i think
July 3rd, 2005 at 10:16 pm
To The Real Jay,
I would appreciate if you could try to be serious and stop invalidating me, Mr. Psychiatrist. You’re working in a profession where you are supposed to be an expert at handling people, yet you lower yourself to personal invalidations that are false. I’m not ignorant, I’m listening to what you’re saying and sometimes I agree.
I have not said that chemical imbalance is a lie. I believe that it have been proven.
Pointing at brutal incidents in the history of psychiatry is something I do because it sort of fascinates me. The brutal history does not mean that you are brutal, or that psychiatrists of today are.
Could you please answers my questions?
1) Mass murderers often have a traumatic personal history. Has THAT something to do with them being mass murderers? Or is it just brain chemistry alone?
2) Adrenaline secreted in the body is a “chemical imbalance”. It’s created because of situations of fear etc. Do you then agree that THAT very “chemical imbalance” was CAUSED by some outside factor, e.g. an accident.
Nick
July 3rd, 2005 at 10:17 pm
edward lear was a little bit queer
and his friends found him not a bit funny
he liked to poke fun at those most dear
his disposition being not at all sunny
then one day as he lay on a big stack of hay
his thinking particularly naughty
he posted a note which got someone’s goat
who became just a little bit haughty
dear edward resigned to end his brief reign
as the board’s most literate bard
he decided to let another poster feign
attempts at entertaining the yard
July 3rd, 2005 at 10:25 pm
edward lear was a little bit queer
and his friends found him not at all funny
he liked to poke fun at those most dear
his disposition being not at all sunny
then one day as he lay on a big stack of hay
he had a thought particularly naughty
and posted a note which got someone’s goat
who became most definitely haughty
mister lear resigned to end his reign
as the post’s most literate bard
he decided to let another feign
attempts at entertaining the yard
July 3rd, 2005 at 10:25 pm
E. Lear thought he was quite clever;
Cruise would think so, never.
Lear make limericks of strangers;
Meddling with dangers.
Nothing quite endeavour.
July 3rd, 2005 at 10:31 pm
Nick, I do agree that many psychological problems originate in traumatic experiences. However, there is a big difference between psychology and psychiatry. Psychology deals with the difficult life experiences we all have experienced that may affect our functioning in daily life. Psychiatry deals with the brain as an electromagnetic, hormone reactive, cellular, and chemical reacting part of the human body. When there are problems with these processes, it is a physical illness like diabetes or kidney failure.
Example: I have several phobias. And, I have recently developed one of limericks. The phobias are learned problems with my mind. I also have bipolar disorder, which is capable of debilitating my whole body, despite my having a balanced, happy life with my family and career. This is a physical illness.
July 3rd, 2005 at 10:36 pm
Nick, the assist process is very similar to a psychological treatment known as Dialectical Behavioral Therapy, which is receiving a lot of good press and feedback in the psychological community. It’s been around for about 30 years. You may want to reada little about it to see the similarities.
July 3rd, 2005 at 10:36 pm
it seems that another has tried to eclipse
the brief reign of the poet laureate
yet the attempt did so assuredly miss
the target which he shot at
the only good to come of this deed
is the fact that mister lear has learned
quitting is not right so please now take heed
the king of the poets is returned
July 3rd, 2005 at 10:41 pm
the girl jennifer had a fear
of something she had held quite dear
a little limerick
started by nick
now resulting in a tear
July 3rd, 2005 at 11:15 pm
I’m sorry, it’s an occupational hazard. For some reason, pre-pubescent males love the words labia, shaft, nocturnal emission, clitoris, and slough. They try to use them whenever possible. Because of operant conditioning, I hear them, roll my eyes, and think “spare me.”
This is an excellent example of a psychological issue that anti-depressants would not touch!
Other than that, I enjoy all the limericks. How about one about Travolta?
July 3rd, 2005 at 11:49 pm
Jennifer,
I acknowledge you for your perspective that there are issues psychiatric drugs cannot touch.
Regarding your bi-polar, is there the slightest chance that the chemical imbalance might be CAUSED by something else? Since adrenaline can create a feeling in your body, but is stimulated by an external factor, could it possible also be so with bi-polar?
Nick
July 4th, 2005 at 12:12 am
a scientologist by the name of travolta
paparazzi chased him with a minolta
hooked to an e-meter
attached to his peter
he exclaimed l ron i’m gonna revolta
July 4th, 2005 at 12:18 am
Nick,
Regarding your imbecility, is there the slighest chance that it could be due to something other than the lack of neural synapses within your skull? Or perhaps, something external caused the paucity of neural connections? Perhaps your mother dropped you on your head as a wee lad?
Jay “the real” me. (can you hear the real me can ya can ya?)
July 4th, 2005 at 12:22 am
Jay,
I’ll have you know that my mother would never have dropped me. She was a wide receiver for the then as yet unknown NFFL. (Nat’l female football league - and yes, she did pass visual inspection) Therefore, I find you hypotenuese very insinuating.
Nick
July 4th, 2005 at 1:17 am
Timothy,
Apparently some dick-weed amuses himself by calling himself “Nick” and perhaps “Jay”, communicating with himself? I find it disturbing and didn’t know severe mental patients were allowed here. Could you please block his IP so we can have a serious discussion here?
the real Nick
July 4th, 2005 at 1:19 am
Rolster,
Is there anything good about scientology at all? Have you read a book, done some courses, done some auditing?
Nick
July 4th, 2005 at 7:03 am
How much money are you bringing in for Miscavige? He is laughing all the way to the bank. By the way, Ron Hubbard was a big drug user.
July 4th, 2005 at 7:06 am
Scientology is raking in all the money coming in from dutiful deciples like yourself.
July 4th, 2005 at 7:56 am
Oh, sure, I’ll ban his IP right after I get done clearing myself of body thetans. That might be a while, I don’t have $500,000 to blow just now, and I’m not dumb enough to join up.
July 4th, 2005 at 12:05 pm
Can you engage in a serious discussion please, and not behave like kids.
Come forward with your arguments.
Nick
July 4th, 2005 at 12:27 pm
I know you are so what am I?
July 4th, 2005 at 12:32 pm
No. But don’t feel bad, I’d do the same thing to a Mormon.
July 4th, 2005 at 1:14 pm
I expected a serious, developing conversation dealing with the pro and cons of scientology and psychiatry, but I guess that was a shot in the blue.
Indeed, very serious messageboard.
I sign off, might look in if anybody accepted the challenge.
Nick
July 4th, 2005 at 3:38 pm
little nickie wickie with no one to play
you guys are not serious he was oft heard to say
so poor little nickie went far off to sulk
carrying off thetan and boldily hulk
nickie hoping that xenu would bring with the sun
some kind of new miraculous fun
but when his e-meter unfortunately froze
nickie left with nothing decided to doze
when he awoke he had hoped that things would have changed
but he found that his posting friends were still quite deranged
so he called upon l ron to right all the wrong
but alas this too failed as he got out his bong
my lord you can’t help me nickie was heard to have said
as he lit his pipe putting it to his big head
if you can’t help me I really must go
to the places you spoke of the places you know
so nickie got high and rereaded the posts
and realized how terribly he missed his old hosts
so he threw his e-meter and bong in the trash
and returned to his computer with one quick long dash
i never again will resign in quick haste
from the place that i thought was a waste
for i now truly realize he said with a grin
that i only i reside here within
July 4th, 2005 at 3:56 pm
Oh dear Nickie,
You, my dear, were the one voice of sanity that has kept me glued to these posts. Your insight has strengthend me. In fact, you complete me.
Please come back.
Yours always, and remaining your dear,
Siggie