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	<title>Comments on: Selling Water to Fund State Programs</title>
	<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/08/04/selling-water-to-fund-state-programs/</link>
	<description>Free Minds, Free Markets, Free Booze</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sakaki</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/08/04/selling-water-to-fund-state-programs/#comment-101040</link>
		<dc:creator>Sakaki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 09:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/08/04/selling-water-to-fund-state-programs/#comment-101040</guid>
		<description>Oh. My. 

Rockne has proven to be one of the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh. My. </p>
<p>Rockne has proven to be one of the best.</p>
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		<title>By: Rockne Roll</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/08/04/selling-water-to-fund-state-programs/#comment-101039</link>
		<dc:creator>Rockne Roll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 07:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/08/04/selling-water-to-fund-state-programs/#comment-101039</guid>
		<description>Oh Kari, I may be a gun-slinging, beer-swilling, no good dirty youngin', but you are literally the worst writer ever. Also, you either have no conceptualization of the word "fat" or self-aggrandize to the extent that you have departed from reality. Which would be a logical explanation for some of your public policy views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Kari, I may be a gun-slinging, beer-swilling, no good dirty youngin&#8217;, but you are literally the worst writer ever. Also, you either have no conceptualization of the word &#8220;fat&#8221; or self-aggrandize to the extent that you have departed from reality. Which would be a logical explanation for some of your public policy views.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ Ciaramella</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/08/04/selling-water-to-fund-state-programs/#comment-101027</link>
		<dc:creator>CJ Ciaramella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/08/04/selling-water-to-fund-state-programs/#comment-101027</guid>
		<description>Aww, thanks, Kari. For all the fist-shaking I send towards Blue Oregon, it's the only liberal Oregon blog I consistently read. And we do share some common ground on the &lt;a href="http://www.blueoregon.com/2008/07/time-to-raise-a.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;subject of beer&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aww, thanks, Kari. For all the fist-shaking I send towards Blue Oregon, it&#8217;s the only liberal Oregon blog I consistently read. And we do share some common ground on the <a href="http://www.blueoregon.com/2008/07/time-to-raise-a.html" rel="nofollow">subject of beer</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Kari Chisholm</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/08/04/selling-water-to-fund-state-programs/#comment-101025</link>
		<dc:creator>Kari Chisholm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/08/04/selling-water-to-fund-state-programs/#comment-101025</guid>
		<description>p.s.  I spoke at the Tigard Rotary last week about how the internet is changing politics.

One of the questions was "Which blogs should Republicans read?"  (Duh, the Tigard Rotary...)

My recommendation: The Oregon Commentator.

For what it's worth...  (not much.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s.  I spoke at the Tigard Rotary last week about how the internet is changing politics.</p>
<p>One of the questions was &#8220;Which blogs should Republicans read?&#8221;  (Duh, the Tigard Rotary&#8230;)</p>
<p>My recommendation: The Oregon Commentator.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth&#8230;  (not much.)</p>
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		<title>By: Kari Chisholm</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/08/04/selling-water-to-fund-state-programs/#comment-101024</link>
		<dc:creator>Kari Chisholm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/08/04/selling-water-to-fund-state-programs/#comment-101024</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;a fatty poo-poo head...&lt;/i&gt;

You said it.  Not me.

Hilarious!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>a fatty poo-poo head&#8230;</i></p>
<p>You said it.  Not me.</p>
<p>Hilarious!</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/08/04/selling-water-to-fund-state-programs/#comment-101016</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/08/04/selling-water-to-fund-state-programs/#comment-101016</guid>
		<description>I would guess that the bulk of the water would come from the Columbia, rather than the Klamath.

Also, I would guess that most of the water would be collected toward the mouth of the river, rather than further upstream. This would make sense since a) it would be easier to collect it without having to navigate the rivers b) it wouldn't really have any effect on stream flow (the big concern with salmon) because the mouth is, obviously, at the terminus of the river. Taking water near the mouth won't have the same effects on spawning grounds as, say, dams do (since dams impede both fish movement and water flow).

In any case, there are good arguments both for and against the whole idea, but Kari Chisholm seems either ignorant or uninterested in any of them. As far as I can tell, his opposition has more to do with the fact that the plan originated from Republicans than anything else.

It's also true that places like Phoenix and Los Angeles use up way more water than they should -- the whole idea of planting subdivisions in the middle of the Arizona desert, complete with a nice, green lawn and everything is patently absurd. On the other hand, it's not as if, say, Los Angeles is a net drain on the country, at least economically speaking. The real challenge is to start to change expectations about what living there entails. 

If Inuits have to get used to not having nice, warm, sandy beaches and Mississippians have to get used to stifling humidity, then at some point, Californians are going to have to get more used to the actual climatic conditions in the places that they live. 

You can bet your boots that if they start buying water from the Columbia and it has to be shipped or piped to California, it's not going to be cheap. As population continues to increase and as subdivision sizes continue to increase, demand will also increase, and there's a practical limit as to how much water can feasibly be sold to desert states. Eventually, utility prices will rise to the point that keeping a golf course-grade lawn out in front of the house takes too much out of the pocketbook. Witness the steady drop in gasoline consumption and SUV sales as gas prices have gone up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would guess that the bulk of the water would come from the Columbia, rather than the Klamath.</p>
<p>Also, I would guess that most of the water would be collected toward the mouth of the river, rather than further upstream. This would make sense since a) it would be easier to collect it without having to navigate the rivers b) it wouldn&#8217;t really have any effect on stream flow (the big concern with salmon) because the mouth is, obviously, at the terminus of the river. Taking water near the mouth won&#8217;t have the same effects on spawning grounds as, say, dams do (since dams impede both fish movement and water flow).</p>
<p>In any case, there are good arguments both for and against the whole idea, but Kari Chisholm seems either ignorant or uninterested in any of them. As far as I can tell, his opposition has more to do with the fact that the plan originated from Republicans than anything else.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also true that places like Phoenix and Los Angeles use up way more water than they should &#8212; the whole idea of planting subdivisions in the middle of the Arizona desert, complete with a nice, green lawn and everything is patently absurd. On the other hand, it&#8217;s not as if, say, Los Angeles is a net drain on the country, at least economically speaking. The real challenge is to start to change expectations about what living there entails. </p>
<p>If Inuits have to get used to not having nice, warm, sandy beaches and Mississippians have to get used to stifling humidity, then at some point, Californians are going to have to get more used to the actual climatic conditions in the places that they live. </p>
<p>You can bet your boots that if they start buying water from the Columbia and it has to be shipped or piped to California, it&#8217;s not going to be cheap. As population continues to increase and as subdivision sizes continue to increase, demand will also increase, and there&#8217;s a practical limit as to how much water can feasibly be sold to desert states. Eventually, utility prices will rise to the point that keeping a golf course-grade lawn out in front of the house takes too much out of the pocketbook. Witness the steady drop in gasoline consumption and SUV sales as gas prices have gone up.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Holman</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/08/04/selling-water-to-fund-state-programs/#comment-101015</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/08/04/selling-water-to-fund-state-programs/#comment-101015</guid>
		<description>I think the problem could lie in contractual obligations.  Perhaps it makes sense on a year-to-year basis, but selling water you are PLANNING on having often ends up pretty bad (see: Colorado River).  

Personally, I think these water-deprived areas need to just slowly go away.  

Even IF they got some water, it's only a band-aid on the larger issue: they live in a desert.

But yeah, I could see the protests as Klamath Salmon die off and water is shipped off to Tonepah, NV for profit.

It would also depend on how much water they were looking at selling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the problem could lie in contractual obligations.  Perhaps it makes sense on a year-to-year basis, but selling water you are PLANNING on having often ends up pretty bad (see: Colorado River).  </p>
<p>Personally, I think these water-deprived areas need to just slowly go away.  </p>
<p>Even IF they got some water, it&#8217;s only a band-aid on the larger issue: they live in a desert.</p>
<p>But yeah, I could see the protests as Klamath Salmon die off and water is shipped off to Tonepah, NV for profit.</p>
<p>It would also depend on how much water they were looking at selling.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/08/04/selling-water-to-fund-state-programs/#comment-101013</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/08/04/selling-water-to-fund-state-programs/#comment-101013</guid>
		<description>My thoughts exactly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thoughts exactly.</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/08/04/selling-water-to-fund-state-programs/#comment-101012</link>
		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/08/04/selling-water-to-fund-state-programs/#comment-101012</guid>
		<description>So, wait, Kari Chisholm -- Kari Fucking Chisholm -- said that Gordon Smith had let himself go and gotten fat? 

Does the man not own a mirror?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, wait, Kari Chisholm &#8212; Kari Fucking Chisholm &#8212; said that Gordon Smith had let himself go and gotten fat? </p>
<p>Does the man not own a mirror?</p>
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