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	<title>Comments on: Ol&#8217; Dirty Weighs in on Smoking Ban</title>
	<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/28/ol-dirty-weighs-in-on-smoking-ban/</link>
	<description>Free Minds, Free Markets, Free Booze</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: drew</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/28/ol-dirty-weighs-in-on-smoking-ban/#comment-100121</link>
		<dc:creator>drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 05:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/28/ol-dirty-weighs-in-on-smoking-ban/#comment-100121</guid>
		<description>So pretty much from the above arguements i can only deduce that doing cocaine can reduce drinking</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So pretty much from the above arguements i can only deduce that doing cocaine can reduce drinking</p>
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		<title>By: Kai Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/28/ol-dirty-weighs-in-on-smoking-ban/#comment-100052</link>
		<dc:creator>Kai Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 02:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/28/ol-dirty-weighs-in-on-smoking-ban/#comment-100052</guid>
		<description>"Breaking news from the Oregon Commentator / Weekly Enema Laboratories: Sex lowers intoxication!

We would have written the rest of the article, but we're too busy having preventing intoxication.

Ha ha! Sex!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Breaking news from the Oregon Commentator / Weekly Enema Laboratories: Sex lowers intoxication!</p>
<p>We would have written the rest of the article, but we&#8217;re too busy having preventing intoxication.</p>
<p>Ha ha! Sex!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Holman</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/28/ol-dirty-weighs-in-on-smoking-ban/#comment-100048</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 22:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/28/ol-dirty-weighs-in-on-smoking-ban/#comment-100048</guid>
		<description>I think that the smoking lowers the level of intoxication because it keeps you busy...you don't drink as much when you're smoking.  I think that's what they mean.  Of course, you could say that you don't drink as much when you're:

- playing pool
- talking incessantly
- etc

I'll re-read though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the smoking lowers the level of intoxication because it keeps you busy&#8230;you don&#8217;t drink as much when you&#8217;re smoking.  I think that&#8217;s what they mean.  Of course, you could say that you don&#8217;t drink as much when you&#8217;re:</p>
<p>- playing pool<br />
- talking incessantly<br />
- etc</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll re-read though.</p>
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		<title>By: Kai Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/28/ol-dirty-weighs-in-on-smoking-ban/#comment-100047</link>
		<dc:creator>Kai Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 22:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/28/ol-dirty-weighs-in-on-smoking-ban/#comment-100047</guid>
		<description>@Chris: That is why I'm an economic major.

 hey shit happens
 hey look, there is this link between two things
 that doesn't make sense!
 shut up, bitch, I used science.

&#60;3 economics. 

"Growing evidence from neurological research also suggests that smoking lessens a drinker’s level of intoxication, and that nicotine deprivation can sharpen the urge to drink."

Something about these two statements is rubbing me the wrong way. Lets split them apart.

1.  smoking lessens a drinker’s level of intoxication

2.  nicotine deprivation can sharpen the urge to drink

I'm going to tackle 2 first.

"nicotine deprivation can sharpen the urge to drink" makes sense since nicotine serves to stimulate receptors in the brain that lead to a pleasure. And sanity. Hence why there is an amazingly high correlation between psychological problems and nicotine consumption. The nicotine serves as an artificial stimulant for these receptor sites, increasing feelings of well being. Similar to an alcoholic euphoria. So in the tangent case where someone  does not suffer from psychological ailments but is addicted to nicotine, a reduction of consumption of nicotine would result in an increased desire for some other source of 'pleasure'. 

Hence why when you stop smoking you start over eating / over drinking / over sexing. Gotta get that pleasure. 

(Yes, I know the above paragraph isn't scientifically accurate. Forgive me, I'm an economics major, not a biology / psychology major. But [and please do correct me if I'm wrong] the basic ideas remain consistent).

Point 1 is harder for me to understand. I'd live to have someone with a background in that chemical / biological field contribute (or someone to link to the source article. I'll google for it in a bit), but the notion that smoking (okay, nicotine consumption) lowers the level of intoxication

-doesn't mesh with what I've experienced 
-doesn't seem scientifically accurate

But I don't know!

Disclaimer: I hate smoking and feel physically ill whenever i 'puff on a fag'. I do love me some hookah though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris: That is why I&#8217;m an economic major.</p>
<p> hey shit happens<br />
 hey look, there is this link between two things<br />
 that doesn&#8217;t make sense!<br />
 shut up, bitch, I used science.</p>
<p>&lt;3 economics. </p>
<p>&#8220;Growing evidence from neurological research also suggests that smoking lessens a drinker’s level of intoxication, and that nicotine deprivation can sharpen the urge to drink.&#8221;</p>
<p>Something about these two statements is rubbing me the wrong way. Lets split them apart.</p>
<p>1.  smoking lessens a drinker’s level of intoxication</p>
<p>2.  nicotine deprivation can sharpen the urge to drink</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to tackle 2 first.</p>
<p>&#8220;nicotine deprivation can sharpen the urge to drink&#8221; makes sense since nicotine serves to stimulate receptors in the brain that lead to a pleasure. And sanity. Hence why there is an amazingly high correlation between psychological problems and nicotine consumption. The nicotine serves as an artificial stimulant for these receptor sites, increasing feelings of well being. Similar to an alcoholic euphoria. So in the tangent case where someone  does not suffer from psychological ailments but is addicted to nicotine, a reduction of consumption of nicotine would result in an increased desire for some other source of &#8216;pleasure&#8217;. </p>
<p>Hence why when you stop smoking you start over eating / over drinking / over sexing. Gotta get that pleasure. </p>
<p>(Yes, I know the above paragraph isn&#8217;t scientifically accurate. Forgive me, I&#8217;m an economics major, not a biology / psychology major. But [and please do correct me if I&#8217;m wrong] the basic ideas remain consistent).</p>
<p>Point 1 is harder for me to understand. I&#8217;d live to have someone with a background in that chemical / biological field contribute (or someone to link to the source article. I&#8217;ll google for it in a bit), but the notion that smoking (okay, nicotine consumption) lowers the level of intoxication</p>
<p>-doesn&#8217;t mesh with what I&#8217;ve experienced<br />
-doesn&#8217;t seem scientifically accurate</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t know!</p>
<p>Disclaimer: I hate smoking and feel physically ill whenever i &#8216;puff on a fag&#8217;. I do love me some hookah though!</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/28/ol-dirty-weighs-in-on-smoking-ban/#comment-100044</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 17:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/28/ol-dirty-weighs-in-on-smoking-ban/#comment-100044</guid>
		<description>Oh Zach, you lovable rogue, you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Zach, you lovable rogue, you.</p>
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		<title>By: orwellduk</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/28/ol-dirty-weighs-in-on-smoking-ban/#comment-100040</link>
		<dc:creator>orwellduk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 23:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/28/ol-dirty-weighs-in-on-smoking-ban/#comment-100040</guid>
		<description>Yeah, and I am glad you guys were able to come to terms with the fact that my Nike governance anti-smoking policy laundering conspiracy theory is the smoking gun here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, and I am glad you guys were able to come to terms with the fact that my Nike governance anti-smoking policy laundering conspiracy theory is the smoking gun here.</p>
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		<title>By: Snowbird</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/28/ol-dirty-weighs-in-on-smoking-ban/#comment-100039</link>
		<dc:creator>Snowbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 20:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/28/ol-dirty-weighs-in-on-smoking-ban/#comment-100039</guid>
		<description>smoke from tobacco is a statistically insigificant health risk.

http://smokersclubinc.com
http://pasan.thetruthisalie.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>smoke from tobacco is a statistically insigificant health risk.</p>
<p><a href="http://smokersclubinc.com" rel="nofollow">http://smokersclubinc.com</a><br />
<a href="http://pasan.thetruthisalie.com" rel="nofollow">http://pasan.thetruthisalie.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Holman</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/28/ol-dirty-weighs-in-on-smoking-ban/#comment-100038</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 06:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/28/ol-dirty-weighs-in-on-smoking-ban/#comment-100038</guid>
		<description>I just thought it was a fun addition to the conversation.

If you apply the same ideas to things like the U of O being a dry campus, I imagine one might stumble across the same results.  Namely, if you force people to go far from home (on campus, in frats) to drink, they are going to drive drunk, bike drunk, and who knows what happens beyond that?  : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just thought it was a fun addition to the conversation.</p>
<p>If you apply the same ideas to things like the U of O being a dry campus, I imagine one might stumble across the same results.  Namely, if you force people to go far from home (on campus, in frats) to drink, they are going to drive drunk, bike drunk, and who knows what happens beyond that?  : )</p>
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		<title>By: CJ Ciaramella</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/28/ol-dirty-weighs-in-on-smoking-ban/#comment-100037</link>
		<dc:creator>CJ Ciaramella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 05:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/28/ol-dirty-weighs-in-on-smoking-ban/#comment-100037</guid>
		<description>Yeah, but who could have seen THAT coming? I mean, it's so totally illogical. If we ban smoking, then people obviously won't smoke anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but who could have seen THAT coming? I mean, it&#8217;s so totally illogical. If we ban smoking, then people obviously won&#8217;t smoke anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Holman</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/28/ol-dirty-weighs-in-on-smoking-ban/#comment-100036</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 04:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/28/ol-dirty-weighs-in-on-smoking-ban/#comment-100036</guid>
		<description>From the Atlantic Monthly, May 2008, page 20 (Primary Sources)

"Drunk Driving After the Passage of Smoking Bans in Bars," Scott Adams and Chad Cotti, Journal of Public Economics.

&lt;a href="www.econ.iastate.edu/calendar/papers/CottiPaperDrunkDriving.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;Link to full study&lt;/a&gt;

"Can smoking cigarettes actually save lives?  When some state and local governments banned smoking in bars, the number of fatal car accidents involving drunk drivers rose by about 13 percent, two economists recently showed.  In the most extreme result, they found that fatal accidents in Jefferson County, Colorado, increased by more than 40 percent after neighboring Boulder County instituted a ban.  Although a portion of the smoking population simply stays at home to drink after bans are enacted, the researchers argue that many other smokers seek out bars in locales where simultaneously imbibing and inhaling remains legal.  Given the greater distance to a bar in a neighboring county or state, the authors surmise that smokers in towns with bans log more drunk-miles, leading to more alcohol-related accidents.  Growing evidence from neurological research also suggests that smoking lessens a drinker's level of intoxication, and that nicotine deprivation can sharpen the urge to drink.  As a result, the authors say, smokers who comply with the ban and elect to booze close to home may be drinking more, or getting more drunk from the same number of drinks.  While a national smoking ban could offset some of the increase in fatalities, perhaps alcohol, like coffee, is simply best (and safest) when enjoyed with cigarettes."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the Atlantic Monthly, May 2008, page 20 (Primary Sources)</p>
<p>&#8220;Drunk Driving After the Passage of Smoking Bans in Bars,&#8221; Scott Adams and Chad Cotti, Journal of Public Economics.</p>
<p><a href="www.econ.iastate.edu/calendar/papers/CottiPaperDrunkDriving.pdf" rel="nofollow">Link to full study</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Can smoking cigarettes actually save lives?  When some state and local governments banned smoking in bars, the number of fatal car accidents involving drunk drivers rose by about 13 percent, two economists recently showed.  In the most extreme result, they found that fatal accidents in Jefferson County, Colorado, increased by more than 40 percent after neighboring Boulder County instituted a ban.  Although a portion of the smoking population simply stays at home to drink after bans are enacted, the researchers argue that many other smokers seek out bars in locales where simultaneously imbibing and inhaling remains legal.  Given the greater distance to a bar in a neighboring county or state, the authors surmise that smokers in towns with bans log more drunk-miles, leading to more alcohol-related accidents.  Growing evidence from neurological research also suggests that smoking lessens a drinker&#8217;s level of intoxication, and that nicotine deprivation can sharpen the urge to drink.  As a result, the authors say, smokers who comply with the ban and elect to booze close to home may be drinking more, or getting more drunk from the same number of drinks.  While a national smoking ban could offset some of the increase in fatalities, perhaps alcohol, like coffee, is simply best (and safest) when enjoyed with cigarettes.&#8221;</p>
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