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	<title>Comments on: Beranek v. McLain, Opinion Posted</title>
	<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/</link>
	<description>Free Minds, Free Markets, Free Booze</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: orwellduk</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99945</link>
		<dc:creator>orwellduk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 21:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99945</guid>
		<description>Emily helped the arena and the crook/lame duck  named Frohnmayer by sitting around and doing nothing.........I forgot she did say the word sustainable about 1500 times-I take it all back give her a job with the U.N . immediately. I hear her mom is on the board at the regional  planning entity known as Metro . Nike's architect built Metro's headquarters in 1996. To read more about metro use google to find the essay titled "Beware Metro". No wonder this brat chose to do nothing about this green government gone wild arena-gate meltdown. She has alot of explaining to do-and she will not I'm sure. Oh yeah great mayoral debate moderation-funny how you ran out of time for the audience questions you dragged us in for. Stop wasting people's fucking time consensus crooks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emily helped the arena and the crook/lame duck  named Frohnmayer by sitting around and doing nothing&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;I forgot she did say the word sustainable about 1500 times-I take it all back give her a job with the U.N . immediately. I hear her mom is on the board at the regional  planning entity known as Metro . Nike&#8217;s architect built Metro&#8217;s headquarters in 1996. To read more about metro use google to find the essay titled &#8220;Beware Metro&#8221;. No wonder this brat chose to do nothing about this green government gone wild arena-gate meltdown. She has alot of explaining to do-and she will not I&#8217;m sure. Oh yeah great mayoral debate moderation-funny how you ran out of time for the audience questions you dragged us in for. Stop wasting people&#8217;s fucking time consensus crooks!</p>
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		<title>By: Gulley Sucks</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99933</link>
		<dc:creator>Gulley Sucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 17:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99933</guid>
		<description>Would it be fair to say that Gulley manifests his white privleage on the MCC by being a constant source of embarassment and shame?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would it be fair to say that Gulley manifests his white privleage on the MCC by being a constant source of embarassment and shame?</p>
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		<title>By: Sakaki</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99928</link>
		<dc:creator>Sakaki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 10:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99928</guid>
		<description>Gully Sucks: What do you have against Africa? 

If you're going to send Gulley anyplace, send him back to Shaker Heights, Ohio, and force him to become a conservative richie-rich Republican. 

THAT will be torture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gully Sucks: What do you have against Africa? </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to send Gulley anyplace, send him back to Shaker Heights, Ohio, and force him to become a conservative richie-rich Republican. </p>
<p>THAT will be torture.</p>
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		<title>By: Gully Sucks</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99927</link>
		<dc:creator>Gully Sucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 07:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99927</guid>
		<description>Carolina Beranek should be given sainthood by the catholic church, and gulley should have to live in africa the rest of his life</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carolina Beranek should be given sainthood by the catholic church, and gulley should have to live in africa the rest of his life</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99919</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 21:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99919</guid>
		<description>Sam Katz has done more for students out of office (with his library hours initiative) than Emily did in her full year in office! Just think about this. She was approached by people throughout her term to get things done, to start cool initiatives, and she rejected everything because Emily doesn't listen - she doesn't care about anything but her title. So long as she can call herself "student body president" (she never says "ASUO President"), that's what matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam Katz has done more for students out of office (with his library hours initiative) than Emily did in her full year in office! Just think about this. She was approached by people throughout her term to get things done, to start cool initiatives, and she rejected everything because Emily doesn&#8217;t listen - she doesn&#8217;t care about anything but her title. So long as she can call herself &#8220;student body president&#8221; (she never says &#8220;ASUO President&#8221;), that&#8217;s what matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackson</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99873</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 21:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99873</guid>
		<description>I am impressed that Sam and Johnny have already made some changes before assuming office.  First, we saw Johnny being dunked outside the EMU to help the union fund raise, then we saw Sam eating lunch with Kari everyday (no bridges burning there, but the fire's getting stronger if you know what I mean), and finally we saw Sam pushing for more library hours and... guess what?!... he got it done.  This has all happened before office.  I cannot wait until they move in and have a staff to help with bigger projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am impressed that Sam and Johnny have already made some changes before assuming office.  First, we saw Johnny being dunked outside the EMU to help the union fund raise, then we saw Sam eating lunch with Kari everyday (no bridges burning there, but the fire&#8217;s getting stronger if you know what I mean), and finally we saw Sam pushing for more library hours and&#8230; guess what?!&#8230; he got it done.  This has all happened before office.  I cannot wait until they move in and have a staff to help with bigger projects.</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99870</link>
		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 21:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99870</guid>
		<description>What a joke, ASUO sucks.  I hope Sam and Johnny change it big time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a joke, ASUO sucks.  I hope Sam and Johnny change it big time.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Haley</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99856</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle Haley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 15:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99856</guid>
		<description>I believe it would be San, then Athan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe it would be San, then Athan.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheerio</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99853</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheerio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 09:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99853</guid>
		<description>Its better to keep Emily for a few more weeks than allow SunOwen to take over. Keep the Sunn(San)y side up. Does the Green Tape dictate a line of succession anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its better to keep Emily for a few more weeks than allow SunOwen to take over. Keep the Sunn(San)y side up. Does the Green Tape dictate a line of succession anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Jin</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99850</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Jin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 07:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99850</guid>
		<description>Would it be ironic that it would most likely be next to some Free Speech or Habeas Corpus protest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would it be ironic that it would most likely be next to some Free Speech or Habeas Corpus protest?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Holman</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99848</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 06:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99848</guid>
		<description>LOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99847</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 06:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99847</guid>
		<description>And not a moment too soon. Once the smoking ban is inevitably passed, it would've been only a matter of time before some hapless student was tasered for lighting up outside Lillis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And not a moment too soon. Once the smoking ban is inevitably passed, it would&#8217;ve been only a matter of time before some hapless student was tasered for lighting up outside Lillis.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Holman</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99846</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 06:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99846</guid>
		<description>Aren't they tearing down the bakery to build the arena....as we type?

Tasers...hmmm...they're really out of the picture?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren&#8217;t they tearing down the bakery to build the arena&#8230;.as we type?</p>
<p>Tasers&#8230;hmmm&#8230;they&#8217;re really out of the picture?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Jin</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99844</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Jin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 06:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99844</guid>
		<description>She stopped Tasers from coming on campus. And she stuck it to the University Administration with regards to the new arena project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She stopped Tasers from coming on campus. And she stuck it to the University Administration with regards to the new arena project.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99836</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 04:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99836</guid>
		<description>McLain's administration did nothing this year - absolutely nothing. The one accomplishment they can take even partial credit for is the constitutional changes brought on by Senate, but even that was primarily the work of Athan.

I know students who came to her to get shit done - who had real issues they wanted to solve and implement, and she literally ignored these people. That's her style.

Look at what she campaigned on, then look at what she did. Why doesn't the OC do some research here and write an article?

Remember the "leaky roofs"? What about the "bundled textbook" legislation she was going to campaign for in Salem? Remember her whole thing on making student government more open? She couldn't even departmentalize ethnic studies or Women's Gender Studies!! That was like her big issue. She ignored anyone she didn't want to deal with and burned big bridges. 

Name ONE thing her administration did for the students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McLain&#8217;s administration did nothing this year - absolutely nothing. The one accomplishment they can take even partial credit for is the constitutional changes brought on by Senate, but even that was primarily the work of Athan.</p>
<p>I know students who came to her to get shit done - who had real issues they wanted to solve and implement, and she literally ignored these people. That&#8217;s her style.</p>
<p>Look at what she campaigned on, then look at what she did. Why doesn&#8217;t the OC do some research here and write an article?</p>
<p>Remember the &#8220;leaky roofs&#8221;? What about the &#8220;bundled textbook&#8221; legislation she was going to campaign for in Salem? Remember her whole thing on making student government more open? She couldn&#8217;t even departmentalize ethnic studies or Women&#8217;s Gender Studies!! That was like her big issue. She ignored anyone she didn&#8217;t want to deal with and burned big bridges. </p>
<p>Name ONE thing her administration did for the students.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Holman</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99835</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 01:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99835</guid>
		<description>Looks like it's Shon Bogar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like it&#8217;s Shon Bogar.</p>
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		<title>By: Sakaki</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99833</link>
		<dc:creator>Sakaki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 00:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99833</guid>
		<description>Who is the chief justice again? Because, frankly, the guy needs to be beaten to a pulp by someone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is the chief justice again? Because, frankly, the guy needs to be beaten to a pulp by someone.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Holman</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99831</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 23:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99831</guid>
		<description>What I mean is, if the dissenter is correct...than ANY complaint ever filed that is not filed at the right time for whatever reason could be argued as a pre-meditated political attack.  That, to me, is as dangerous as having the Con. Court play "arm-chair coach" as the Chief Justice put it.

In other words, strike while the iron is hot or just give up on accountability after...TBD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I mean is, if the dissenter is correct&#8230;than ANY complaint ever filed that is not filed at the right time for whatever reason could be argued as a pre-meditated political attack.  That, to me, is as dangerous as having the Con. Court play &#8220;arm-chair coach&#8221; as the Chief Justice put it.</p>
<p>In other words, strike while the iron is hot or just give up on accountability after&#8230;TBD.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Holman</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99830</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 23:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99830</guid>
		<description>From the Chief Justice's Dissent:

"A complaint for non-fulfillment of duties should be 
raised when a duty is unfulfilled, not held in reserve as 
part of a political, retributive game plan played long 
after the problem is corrected."

Is the complaint something that was really held in reserve or is that speculation?  It seems like the dissenting opinion is bringing in some information that is personal, background and could be chalked up to hearsay.  That is, the heart of the complaint and questions about it should be whether or not people are held to account for what they did wrong.  Perhaps in some cases there are scenarios where punishment for something done in the past is unmerited, but which are they?  Aren't all wrongdoings, crimes, misdemeanors, etc. committed in the past?  What is, after all, the statute of limitations on wrongdoings...and the subject of this complaint? 

I know these questions might play into the dissent in ways that I am ignorant of, but for me the dissenting argument begs the question as to whether or not it's a good idea to hold people accountable for past actions...even if things have been 'solved' since the transgression first took place.  I agree that people shouldn't hold things in reserve to use politically, but even in this case it seems that if one wanted to damage McLain he or she would have brought the complaint forward when she would have had maximum punishment/humiliation.  

Anyway, when people screw up they screw up.  They should be held accountable.  Dissenting to this weak punishment for McLain while admitting that you would agree with the majority if the timing were different is just weird to me.

Thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the Chief Justice&#8217;s Dissent:</p>
<p>&#8220;A complaint for non-fulfillment of duties should be<br />
raised when a duty is unfulfilled, not held in reserve as<br />
part of a political, retributive game plan played long<br />
after the problem is corrected.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is the complaint something that was really held in reserve or is that speculation?  It seems like the dissenting opinion is bringing in some information that is personal, background and could be chalked up to hearsay.  That is, the heart of the complaint and questions about it should be whether or not people are held to account for what they did wrong.  Perhaps in some cases there are scenarios where punishment for something done in the past is unmerited, but which are they?  Aren&#8217;t all wrongdoings, crimes, misdemeanors, etc. committed in the past?  What is, after all, the statute of limitations on wrongdoings&#8230;and the subject of this complaint? </p>
<p>I know these questions might play into the dissent in ways that I am ignorant of, but for me the dissenting argument begs the question as to whether or not it&#8217;s a good idea to hold people accountable for past actions&#8230;even if things have been &#8217;solved&#8217; since the transgression first took place.  I agree that people shouldn&#8217;t hold things in reserve to use politically, but even in this case it seems that if one wanted to damage McLain he or she would have brought the complaint forward when she would have had maximum punishment/humiliation.  </p>
<p>Anyway, when people screw up they screw up.  They should be held accountable.  Dissenting to this weak punishment for McLain while admitting that you would agree with the majority if the timing were different is just weird to me.</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Holman</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99829</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 23:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/19/beranek-v-mclain-opinion-posted/#comment-99829</guid>
		<description>Man, that's the way I want to go; a lifetime of crime and then get all my punishment 6 days before I die.  To use another poor metaphor. hehe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, that&#8217;s the way I want to go; a lifetime of crime and then get all my punishment 6 days before I die.  To use another poor metaphor. hehe</p>
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