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	<title>Comments on: Shocker: Paying Off Departments for Hiring Minorities Possibly Illegal</title>
	<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/</link>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99700</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 16:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T: 

Yeah, there's absolutely &lt;i&gt;no&lt;/i&gt; chance whatsoever that I wrote that just to irk Olly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T: </p>
<p>Yeah, there&#8217;s absolutely <i>no</i> chance whatsoever that I wrote that just to irk Olly.</p>
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		<title>By: Barack Obama</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99699</link>
		<dc:creator>Barack Obama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 16:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most working- and middle-class white Americans don’t feel they have been particularly privileged by their race.... As far as they’re concerned, no one handed them anything. Resentment builds when they hear that an African American is getting an advantage in landing a good job or a spot in a good college because of an injustice that they themselves never committed. These resentments are not misguided or even racist, but rather are grounded in legitimate concerns.

From my March 18th speech on race in america.

Senator Barack Obama</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most working- and middle-class white Americans don’t feel they have been particularly privileged by their race&#8230;. As far as they’re concerned, no one handed them anything. Resentment builds when they hear that an African American is getting an advantage in landing a good job or a spot in a good college because of an injustice that they themselves never committed. These resentments are not misguided or even racist, but rather are grounded in legitimate concerns.</p>
<p>From my March 18th speech on race in america.</p>
<p>Senator Barack Obama</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99698</link>
		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 14:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99698</guid>
		<description>Vincent:

"A lot of people do drink scotch just to be pretentious. They’re the same types of people who’ll march in and sit down at a bar, cop a fake Irish accent, and order 'a point o’yer foinest stount ‘nd a dram o’M'callan 12 year t’go wuth it - an’ I’ll be havin’ one piece of ice in there only, if ye be pleasin’, barkeep.'

From several days ago:

"Olly: Oh come now old bean, shall I have to give you a cauliflower ear? Why, now that I think of it, that sounds like a capital idea! Just bully!"

Golly, Vincent, it is annoying when Americans start using overemphasized accents. Just bully, indeed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vincent:</p>
<p>&#8220;A lot of people do drink scotch just to be pretentious. They’re the same types of people who’ll march in and sit down at a bar, cop a fake Irish accent, and order &#8216;a point o’yer foinest stount ‘nd a dram o’M&#8217;callan 12 year t’go wuth it - an’ I’ll be havin’ one piece of ice in there only, if ye be pleasin’, barkeep.&#8217;</p>
<p>From several days ago:</p>
<p>&#8220;Olly: Oh come now old bean, shall I have to give you a cauliflower ear? Why, now that I think of it, that sounds like a capital idea! Just bully!&#8221;</p>
<p>Golly, Vincent, it is annoying when Americans start using overemphasized accents. Just bully, indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99697</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 12:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Knob Creek is pure deliciousness.  Although, admittedly, I am not much of a splurger so for most purposes my good friend Jim Beam will suffice.  Yes, I am that guy.  Yes I am okay with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knob Creek is pure deliciousness.  Although, admittedly, I am not much of a splurger so for most purposes my good friend Jim Beam will suffice.  Yes, I am that guy.  Yes I am okay with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99693</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 23:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99693</guid>
		<description>Incidentally, I've been told that the way to get the VIP treatment from hotel bartenders at St. Andrew's in Scotland is to bring them a bottle of Knob Creek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, I&#8217;ve been told that the way to get the VIP treatment from hotel bartenders at St. Andrew&#8217;s in Scotland is to bring them a bottle of Knob Creek.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99692</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 22:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99692</guid>
		<description>Chris:

I love John Power's. It's cheaper than Jameson's and packs more of a wallop, though it's definitely not as smooth. Maybe it's a bit of an acquired taste, but if you like Irish whiskey, you owe it to yourself to give it a shot (no pun intended).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris:</p>
<p>I love John Power&#8217;s. It&#8217;s cheaper than Jameson&#8217;s and packs more of a wallop, though it&#8217;s definitely not as smooth. Maybe it&#8217;s a bit of an acquired taste, but if you like Irish whiskey, you owe it to yourself to give it a shot (no pun intended).</p>
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		<title>By: CJ Ciaramella</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99691</link>
		<dc:creator>CJ Ciaramella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 21:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99691</guid>
		<description>I'm an Old Crow man myself ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an Old Crow man myself &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Holman</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99690</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 21:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, go for some Buffalo Chase the next time you see it.  It's tasty bourbon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, go for some Buffalo Chase the next time you see it.  It&#8217;s tasty bourbon!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Holman</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99689</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 21:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99689</guid>
		<description>Nah Bill, you're not pretentious...just some people who drink scotch because they think they're refined but they really know shit-all about the drink.

Vincent, I haven't tried that stuff.  Is it any good?

Oh, and great caricature there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah Bill, you&#8217;re not pretentious&#8230;just some people who drink scotch because they think they&#8217;re refined but they really know shit-all about the drink.</p>
<p>Vincent, I haven&#8217;t tried that stuff.  Is it any good?</p>
<p>Oh, and great caricature there!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Harbaugh</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99688</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Harbaugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 21:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99688</guid>
		<description>Now I'm being attacked as an elitist snob? You should have heard what Martinez called me. Anyway, some Old Overholt is fine. Don't skimp on the cigar though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I&#8217;m being attacked as an elitist snob? You should have heard what Martinez called me. Anyway, some Old Overholt is fine. Don&#8217;t skimp on the cigar though.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99687</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 21:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99687</guid>
		<description>A lot of people &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; drink scotch just to be pretentious. They're the same types of people who'll march in and sit down at a bar, cop a fake Irish accent, and order "a point o'yer foinest stount 'nd a dram o'M'callan 12 year t'go wuth it - an' I'll be havin' one piece of ice in there only, if ye be pleasin', barkeep." At which point the bartender knows said customer ordered Macallan 12 year because it's the only single malt he's ever heard of.

Ever tried John Power's Irish Whiskey?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of people <i>do</i> drink scotch just to be pretentious. They&#8217;re the same types of people who&#8217;ll march in and sit down at a bar, cop a fake Irish accent, and order &#8220;a point o&#8217;yer foinest stount &#8216;nd a dram o&#8217;M'callan 12 year t&#8217;go wuth it - an&#8217; I&#8217;ll be havin&#8217; one piece of ice in there only, if ye be pleasin&#8217;, barkeep.&#8221; At which point the bartender knows said customer ordered Macallan 12 year because it&#8217;s the only single malt he&#8217;s ever heard of.</p>
<p>Ever tried John Power&#8217;s Irish Whiskey?</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99686</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 21:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A bottle of Scotch for the Professor it is!

I'm more of a bourbon man myself, but I have never claimed to have refined taste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bottle of Scotch for the Professor it is!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m more of a bourbon man myself, but I have never claimed to have refined taste.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Holman</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99684</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 21:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Bushmills or Jameson.  I'm a fan of Irish water...and lots of it.  Scotch isn't something I'm a fan of, especially when it just takes like bog water.  I think a lot of people drink it just to be pretentious.  : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Bushmills or Jameson.  I&#8217;m a fan of Irish water&#8230;and lots of it.  Scotch isn&#8217;t something I&#8217;m a fan of, especially when it just takes like bog water.  I think a lot of people drink it just to be pretentious.  : )</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99682</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 20:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bushmills?

I've lost all respect for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bushmills?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve lost all respect for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Holman</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99681</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 19:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lagavulin is too peaty for my taste....I'd go for some Bushmills though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lagavulin is too peaty for my taste&#8230;.I&#8217;d go for some Bushmills though.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99680</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 19:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a Cohiba or two floating around at the Smoke-in yesterday, though sadly the University continues to infantilize its students, resulting in a noticeable dearth of Lagavulin.

You're to be commended on your choice of scotch, by the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a Cohiba or two floating around at the Smoke-in yesterday, though sadly the University continues to infantilize its students, resulting in a noticeable dearth of Lagavulin.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re to be commended on your choice of scotch, by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Harbaugh</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99679</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Harbaugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 19:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99679</guid>
		<description>A beer? And you guys call yourselves Libertarians? I'm thinking a bottle of Lagavulin, and a Cohiba.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A beer? And you guys call yourselves Libertarians? I&#8217;m thinking a bottle of Lagavulin, and a Cohiba.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99678</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 19:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris:

Fair enough. Reading through it again, I see what you were trying to say, and it's clear I was mis-reading what you wrote. You're right, incidentally, to suggest that it's hard to take a department to task for essentially taking what's offered them, especially if what's on the table is a stack of cash.

In any case, Melinda Grier's spin on the whole situation is laughable. Even if the program turns out not to be unconstitutional, it's certainly corrupting.

And count me in for the beer fund for Harbaugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris:</p>
<p>Fair enough. Reading through it again, I see what you were trying to say, and it&#8217;s clear I was mis-reading what you wrote. You&#8217;re right, incidentally, to suggest that it&#8217;s hard to take a department to task for essentially taking what&#8217;s offered them, especially if what&#8217;s on the table is a stack of cash.</p>
<p>In any case, Melinda Grier&#8217;s spin on the whole situation is laughable. Even if the program turns out not to be unconstitutional, it&#8217;s certainly corrupting.</p>
<p>And count me in for the beer fund for Harbaugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Holman</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99677</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 18:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99677</guid>
		<description>So yes, sorry to not answer your question in the previous entry, there is something fundamentally wrong with what I have laid out as a scenario above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So yes, sorry to not answer your question in the previous entry, there is something fundamentally wrong with what I have laid out as a scenario above.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Holman</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/13/shocker-paying-off-departments-for-hiring-minorities-possible-illegal/#comment-99676</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 18:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm just saying that people are pretty fallible, across the spectrum of issues, and I have a cynical take on whether or not my scenario would work out the way it should 100% of the time (hiring the most qualified person).  If you ever watched Ren &#38; Stimpy you probably know what I'm talking about.  Just think of Ren telling Stimpy to NOT hit the big, red shiny button.  The way this thing apparently works is, to me, asking departments to not hit the big, red, shiny minority cash button.  That's why I laughed when Grier's quote just stated matter-of-factly that "this doesn't happen at the U of O".  As if the U of O is operating in some holy moral universe where people always do the right thing even though you've structured this particular issue so that they are rewarded for doing the wrong thing...and it's apparently legal (for now).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just saying that people are pretty fallible, across the spectrum of issues, and I have a cynical take on whether or not my scenario would work out the way it should 100% of the time (hiring the most qualified person).  If you ever watched Ren &amp; Stimpy you probably know what I&#8217;m talking about.  Just think of Ren telling Stimpy to NOT hit the big, red shiny button.  The way this thing apparently works is, to me, asking departments to not hit the big, red, shiny minority cash button.  That&#8217;s why I laughed when Grier&#8217;s quote just stated matter-of-factly that &#8220;this doesn&#8217;t happen at the U of O&#8221;.  As if the U of O is operating in some holy moral universe where people always do the right thing even though you&#8217;ve structured this particular issue so that they are rewarded for doing the wrong thing&#8230;and it&#8217;s apparently legal (for now).</p>
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