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	<title>Comments on: Eugene fines local bar for shrubbery, sense-making</title>
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		<title>By: Oregon Commentator &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Eugene&#8217;s Draconian Smoking Ordinance Strikes Again</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/07/eugene-fines-local-bar-for-shrubbery-sense-making/comment-page-2/#comment-107041</link>
		<dc:creator>Oregon Commentator &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Eugene&#8217;s Draconian Smoking Ordinance Strikes Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 22:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The back deck of Espresso Roma, a favorite haunt of UO riff-raff and one of the last true smoking dens in Eugene, is now a no-smoking area thanks to the city&#8217;s asinine smoking ordinance. (You may remember when the city fined the Horsehead Bar and Grill for its offending row of shrubbery.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The back deck of Espresso Roma, a favorite haunt of UO riff-raff and one of the last true smoking dens in Eugene, is now a no-smoking area thanks to the city&#8217;s asinine smoking ordinance. (You may remember when the city fined the Horsehead Bar and Grill for its offending row of shrubbery.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert Nash</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/07/eugene-fines-local-bar-for-shrubbery-sense-making/comment-page-2/#comment-99624</link>
		<dc:creator>Gilbert Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 19:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless &quot;wall&quot; was defined as shrubbery in the law mentioned, the local government does not have &quot;a leg to stand on.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless &#8220;wall&#8221; was defined as shrubbery in the law mentioned, the local government does not have &#8220;a leg to stand on.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: orwellduk</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/07/eugene-fines-local-bar-for-shrubbery-sense-making/comment-page-2/#comment-99598</link>
		<dc:creator>orwellduk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 20:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ignore govt /Frohn corruption...............govt run life............sudsy go to jail ..... new no fun allowed law .......the end .(oh yeah I forgot put some fucking journalism award in there somewhere)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignore govt /Frohn corruption&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;govt run life&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;sudsy go to jail &#8230;.. new no fun allowed law &#8230;&#8230;.the end .(oh yeah I forgot put some fucking journalism award in there somewhere)</p>
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		<title>By: Betz</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/07/eugene-fines-local-bar-for-shrubbery-sense-making/comment-page-1/#comment-99594</link>
		<dc:creator>Betz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 18:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We do, but I haven&#039;t met too many in Eugene (except for &#039;brother&#039; Jeb (Jed?) when he gave me the birds and bees talk via megaphone).  These aren&#039;t crazy christian republicans, though....more than likely, the issue was brought on by an over-zealous misinterpretation of the law by a non-smoker who wishes to make the life of all other smokers and smoke-friendly affiliates pay for ... and thats where I get lost, because really: when&#039;s the last time a line of vegetation really prevented a wall of smoke/gas from seeping through? And really, no one calls a row of bushes a &#039;wall&#039; .... even a hedge, which is more wall-like, is never referred to as a wall. Thats why we have the word &#039;hedge&#039;! 

Bah I&#039;m rambling *grumble, grumble*...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We do, but I haven&#8217;t met too many in Eugene (except for &#8216;brother&#8217; Jeb (Jed?) when he gave me the birds and bees talk via megaphone).  These aren&#8217;t crazy christian republicans, though&#8230;.more than likely, the issue was brought on by an over-zealous misinterpretation of the law by a non-smoker who wishes to make the life of all other smokers and smoke-friendly affiliates pay for &#8230; and thats where I get lost, because really: when&#8217;s the last time a line of vegetation really prevented a wall of smoke/gas from seeping through? And really, no one calls a row of bushes a &#8216;wall&#8217; &#8230;. even a hedge, which is more wall-like, is never referred to as a wall. Thats why we have the word &#8216;hedge&#8217;! </p>
<p>Bah I&#8217;m rambling *grumble, grumble*&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fredric L. Rice</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/07/eugene-fines-local-bar-for-shrubbery-sense-making/comment-page-1/#comment-99584</link>
		<dc:creator>Fredric L. Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 23:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outrageous and insane.  You guys have insane Christian Republicans in your country, it sounds like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outrageous and insane.  You guys have insane Christian Republicans in your country, it sounds like.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ Ciaramella</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJ Ciaramella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 20:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the Horsehead is appealing. It&#039;s going back to the City Council and maybe the Lane County Circuit Court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the Horsehead is appealing. It&#8217;s going back to the City Council and maybe the Lane County Circuit Court.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/07/eugene-fines-local-bar-for-shrubbery-sense-making/comment-page-1/#comment-99571</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 20:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marx was wrong, ALL CAPS, not religion, are the opiate of the masses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marx was wrong, ALL CAPS, not religion, are the opiate of the masses.</p>
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		<title>By: Betz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 20:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I DON’T NEED A LOGICAL REASON FOR ANYTHING I DO…
IF I DO IT ..IT’S NONE OF YOU DAMN BUSINESS…&quot;

I think I want to make this my new life motto, except my motto will discover the Caps Lock key.

Has the Horsehead appealed this levy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I DON’T NEED A LOGICAL REASON FOR ANYTHING I DO…<br />
IF I DO IT ..IT’S NONE OF YOU DAMN BUSINESS…&#8221;</p>
<p>I think I want to make this my new life motto, except my motto will discover the Caps Lock key.</p>
<p>Has the Horsehead appealed this levy?</p>
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		<title>By: R</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/05/07/eugene-fines-local-bar-for-shrubbery-sense-making/comment-page-1/#comment-99569</link>
		<dc:creator>R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 19:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our opinions on whether smoking is a good or bad idea, a health hazard, and so forth shouldn&#039;t ever play a part in the decision of allowing someone else to make their own decisions.

I&#039;m a non-smoker, who thinks 2nd hand smoke is foul, and I support the smoking patio 100%.  I used to sit out there often with my friends while we shared a pitcher and they would chain smoke.  If it bothered me, I had a choice to leave.  I could go inside and play some pool, check out tunes on the new jukebox, play darts.  I wasn&#039;t out of options. 

It&#039;s a g**damned bar.  What next?  A law against one night stands after leaving a bar drunk?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our opinions on whether smoking is a good or bad idea, a health hazard, and so forth shouldn&#8217;t ever play a part in the decision of allowing someone else to make their own decisions.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a non-smoker, who thinks 2nd hand smoke is foul, and I support the smoking patio 100%.  I used to sit out there often with my friends while we shared a pitcher and they would chain smoke.  If it bothered me, I had a choice to leave.  I could go inside and play some pool, check out tunes on the new jukebox, play darts.  I wasn&#8217;t out of options. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a g**damned bar.  What next?  A law against one night stands after leaving a bar drunk?</p>
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		<title>By: PATRICK</title>
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		<dc:creator>PATRICK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 19:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HEY JEREMY...GO AND FUCK YOURSELF !!!!!

NOTHING WORSE THAN A REFORMED, JUDGEMENTAL ASSHOLE TO 
SPEW THIER CRAP AT OTHERS...
 
I DON&#039;T NEED A LOGICAL REASON FOR ANYTHING I DO...

IF I DO IT ..IT&#039;S NONE OF YOU DAMN BUSINESS...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HEY JEREMY&#8230;GO AND FUCK YOURSELF !!!!!</p>
<p>NOTHING WORSE THAN A REFORMED, JUDGEMENTAL ASSHOLE TO<br />
SPEW THIER CRAP AT OTHERS&#8230;</p>
<p>I DON&#8217;T NEED A LOGICAL REASON FOR ANYTHING I DO&#8230;</p>
<p>IF I DO IT ..IT&#8217;S NONE OF YOU DAMN BUSINESS&#8230;</p>
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