Always with love,

The Oregon Commentator

Is that a promise? Can we have it in writing?
Valdas and Jimmy should have started their own White separatist group
months ago — separate from the University of Oregon.

And by the way, it’s “Spin Mistress dc”.

Here are a couple snippets:

“We distinguish between beliefs, however abusive or provocative, and actions and behavior..

..We do not then, try to control thought. Thoughts can run wild without really hurting anyone but bad behavior, behavior that hurts the physical welfare of others can’t be tolerated.”

“…Our job is to separate action from thought, to tolerate, not the action that may threaten us overtly but at least to be smart about how we interdict behavior that may flow from that.

Poets and thinkers and mystics have tried to shed light on this human puzzle of how we live the question of tolerance…

Albert Einstein said this: “Laws alone cannot secure freedom of expression in order that everyman present his views without penalty, there must be a spirit of tolerance in the entire population.”

Helen Keller noted: “The highest result of education is tolerance.”

In this wonderful passage from the Lebanese poet, Kahil Gibran, I quote: “I’ve learned silence from the talkative, toleration from the intolerant, kindness from the unkind~ Yet strange, I am ungrateful to these teachers.”

The limits and depths of tolerance– perhaps it’s only defined by our Humanity and our understanding of it. If that understanding comes through religion, there’s a place to start. If that understanding comes from other ways: we can tolerate our differences.

For more than 200 years, the US Constitution has worked, tolerably well..[: )

There are 2 clauses in the First Amendment,
to that Constitution. The 1st of them, protects freedom of belief.

..However crude the measure… is to distinguish between beliefs and action, to protect the right to express beliefs and distinguish
the action that may flow from them, when it violates the general laws of our country, on a non-discriminatory basis. ”

…Because when belief systems, formally capture the instruments of Government, bad things happen…

..That doesn’t say, of course, that the beliefs of individuals, haven’t weighed in on in public policy, it would be ridiculous to say so.. Anyone involved in the public arena, and sometimes we see this in glaring and open testaments, brings with him or her what some may see as baggage and others may see as the gift of their own personal beliefs. That is as it should be. Out of this we recognize and articulate our differences. Differences, that short of total conversion of one, to another faith, will always exist. This is where we must learn to tolerate.

The R-G piece you’ve linked to, is only close to what Prez. Frohnmayer actually said. Hmm. I even sat right next to Jeff Wright/ wonder why he skewed it..

Here’s the actual.
Q. If I want to act on my faith’s beliefs; be consistent, with what my faith says I need to do, to walk the talk; and that is offensive, to someone else.. how do I reconcile that?

A. Uh, Well, you know, with respect to most people, GET OVER IT… The cost of an admission to a free society, is that you may have to hear things you may not like to hear, from time to time.. GET OVER IT.

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>>To Frohnmayer’s great credit, he did discuss racist anti-Semitic hate speech in his Spring Letter.<<

I think he covered it at at the Sept. 11 NCC speech. Just not with all the sensationalist dressing you’ve applied. Do you think that Frohmayer knows yet, that Hal, et. al. have not attended the forums that you and he repeatedly describe to the community, as ‘anti-Semitic/ racist’ ?

Calm down, dc. Deep breaths now. Slow and deep. You’re halucinating wildly. Anyone have some extra thorazine?

Are all those people this way? creepy. Where’s the off switch? Oh. Found it.

I understand (michael?) that you are in desperation and trying to save face with the many folks that are (finally) taking a second look at your bloviations, but it is too late. The gig’s up. I will continue to meet with people individually, if necessary.

Just sayin’, is all.

The Real World knows
1) In November Valdas Anelauskas gave a slide show (to Orval Etter’s voice-over) on how the Jews were responsible for Kristallnacht and the Nazis weren’t. (This was Pacifica Forum’s “commemoration” of that national pogrom.)

2) The same Lithic Era Lithuanian later gave a presentation on “Elie Wiesel’s Hate,” revealing more about Anelauskas’ hate than about Wiesel.

3) Earlier this year Valdas wrote the bigoted anti-King speech delivered by Jimmy Marr in celebration of MLK’s birthday.

So no, dc, you are not a credible reporter of fact.

Valdas stomped out of Pacifica Forum despite Dawn Coslow’s desperate pleading, but cleanup work remains. Jill’s article indicates Jimmy Marr is OK with racism. Coslow defends public anti-Semitic and racist rants as “freedom of speech” but says public criticism of Pacifica Forum is censorship. Etter says only assault needs to be criticised, anything else is freedom of speech so :get over it.” Cleanup work remains.

Jill quotes Jim Flagg saying “many people” disagree with Valdas and his associated white nationalist and racist ideas, that “the forum should not be judged by the opinions of its members.” Maybe they can exert some peer pressure on Etter and the minority of “two or three” to turn away from the dark side. Or get them to follow Valdas into obscurity.

Maybe now the Hate Force can focus on the Lion’s Club or the Knights of Columbus. ~ I heard someone once said the z-word at a meeting there, too.

And… Don’t tell Hal, but my cashier at a certain campus book- store (name withheld) had the anti-semitic gall to suggest that the Palestinian mom and 4 young children who took an IDF missile at their breakfast table were actually VICTIMS/murdered!

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The Register-Guard ran an article at the time. The first two sentences read:
”
If someone expresses a religious belief you personally find offensive, what should you do?

University of Oregon President Dave Frohnmayer on Tuesday offered this advice: “Get over it.”
”

At that time, Frohnmayer did not discuss racist or anti-Semitic hate speech. The topic then was tolerance and civilized discourse in a pluralistic society.

To Frohnmayer’s great credit, he did discuss racist anti-Semitic hate speech in his Spring Letter. Two very different topics.

but here’s the GOI quote:

“The cost of Freedom in a Free Society is that you may hear things from time to time that you don’t like… GET OVER IT” [45:00]

computer crashing.
must be Karl Rove and those stickies.

Signing off for the eve.

At about 39:minutes__ something, he uses the “get over it”. May have been a bit hasty above. This DVD has only 1 ‘trak’ /can’t fast forward.

“Thoughts can run wild, without really hurting anyone…” [22:42]

Still have not really read this post, though, no offense.

TO Teddy: >>I guess I just don’t understand why Pacifica Forum so desperately wants to dismiss President Frohnmayer’s right to free speech.<<

!? No one at the Forum would deny him his freedom to speak his mind. The issue is mainly the glaring discrepancies btwn his 9/11 speech on Tolerance with his murky turn-coat sentences in that letter to colleagues.

“When belief systems formally capture the instruments of G.ovt, bad things happen”.. [33:30ish]

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DAMMIT, LEARN TO USE HTML.

I’d take my toys and go home, too.

Just in. Have yet to grok yer post, cj (may not ever), but at a glance, you should know, that the “Get over it” title that OE used, was a direct quote from Frohnmayer himself, w/RE: to Jewish reluctance to assimilate (???) Will source, exactly, that is close.