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	<title>Comments on: Clinton Wins Pennsylvania.</title>
	<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/</link>
	<description>Free Minds, Free Markets, Free Booze</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-99103</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-99103</guid>
		<description>Jobetta - Well, you see, my above joke was explaining the first joke.  The best comedy is the comedy where you keep explaining the joke into the ground until it's funny again.  This is a technique they make use of a lot on Family Guy, it's also a bit of an Andy Kauffman thing.  I wouldn't say it's Absurdist, really, but I guess that comes close enough.  Maybe "annoying the audience into laughter" is a better description.

That's what's going on here as well, this is an explanation of the second joke and, in a somewhat meta circumstance, an explanation of this joke.  Because what I'm doing here is repeatedly reiterating that the joke is repeated reiteration of the second joke, which was an explanation of the first joke and, by transitivity, an explanation of the third joke.  The third joke, of course, is this joke, which I am explaining to you now just in case the exact intention is unclear.  And I hope it isn't unclear at this point because I'm really taking my time explaining exactly what the joke is supposed to be: the joke is that I keep explaining the joke, you see.  And, really, this is just a further explanation of the first, second and third jokes because that's how this kind of comedy works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jobetta - Well, you see, my above joke was explaining the first joke.  The best comedy is the comedy where you keep explaining the joke into the ground until it&#8217;s funny again.  This is a technique they make use of a lot on Family Guy, it&#8217;s also a bit of an Andy Kauffman thing.  I wouldn&#8217;t say it&#8217;s Absurdist, really, but I guess that comes close enough.  Maybe &#8220;annoying the audience into laughter&#8221; is a better description.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what&#8217;s going on here as well, this is an explanation of the second joke and, in a somewhat meta circumstance, an explanation of this joke.  Because what I&#8217;m doing here is repeatedly reiterating that the joke is repeated reiteration of the second joke, which was an explanation of the first joke and, by transitivity, an explanation of the third joke.  The third joke, of course, is this joke, which I am explaining to you now just in case the exact intention is unclear.  And I hope it isn&#8217;t unclear at this point because I&#8217;m really taking my time explaining exactly what the joke is supposed to be: the joke is that I keep explaining the joke, you see.  And, really, this is just a further explanation of the first, second and third jokes because that&#8217;s how this kind of comedy works.</p>
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		<title>By: Olly</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-99102</link>
		<dc:creator>Olly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-99102</guid>
		<description>"For me, none. Their mutual rejection of free trade and likelihood of raising taxes, amongst other factors, makes voting for either an impossibility..."

Oh, man, you should have been in Ohio for the primary. "Mutual rejection of free trade" does not do it justice.

(One consoles oneself with the fact that they're probably both lying, but when that's the extent of the silver lining it's hard to get really fired up for the next administration.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For me, none. Their mutual rejection of free trade and likelihood of raising taxes, amongst other factors, makes voting for either an impossibility&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, man, you should have been in Ohio for the primary. &#8220;Mutual rejection of free trade&#8221; does not do it justice.</p>
<p>(One consoles oneself with the fact that they&#8217;re probably both lying, but when that&#8217;s the extent of the silver lining it&#8217;s hard to get really fired up for the next administration.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jobetta</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-99027</link>
		<dc:creator>Jobetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-99027</guid>
		<description>"Joebetta - Thomas Paine wrote a very famous tract titled Common Sense in favor of the American Revolution. So mentioning him in reference to you using common sense for all of your decision making was a history joke.

You see, I was implying that you read Common Sense and then make all of your decisions based on it. And that’s funny, because it’s mostly about overthrowing the rule of the crown in the colonies."

THAT part I got. I know that much about it. I meant I'll take your word for the fact that he's a genius. I guess what I actually mean to say doesn't always translate well in comments on blogs. Oops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Joebetta - Thomas Paine wrote a very famous tract titled Common Sense in favor of the American Revolution. So mentioning him in reference to you using common sense for all of your decision making was a history joke.</p>
<p>You see, I was implying that you read Common Sense and then make all of your decisions based on it. And that’s funny, because it’s mostly about overthrowing the rule of the crown in the colonies.&#8221;</p>
<p>THAT part I got. I know that much about it. I meant I&#8217;ll take your word for the fact that he&#8217;s a genius. I guess what I actually mean to say doesn&#8217;t always translate well in comments on blogs. Oops.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ Ciaramella</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-99026</link>
		<dc:creator>CJ Ciaramella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-99026</guid>
		<description>He also wrote another famous tract. You know, the one that begins "These are the times that try men's souls ..."

But then he wrote a book about how much religion sucked, and they didn't take too kindly to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He also wrote another famous tract. You know, the one that begins &#8220;These are the times that try men&#8217;s souls &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>But then he wrote a book about how much religion sucked, and they didn&#8217;t take too kindly to that.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-99011</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-99011</guid>
		<description>Joebetta - Thomas Paine wrote a very famous tract titled &lt;em&gt;Common Sense&lt;/em&gt; in favor of the American Revolution.  So mentioning him in reference to you using common sense for all of your decision making was a history joke.

You see, I was implying that you read &lt;em&gt;Common Sense&lt;/em&gt; and then make all of your decisions based on it.  And that's funny, because it's mostly about overthrowing the rule of the crown in the colonies.  Which would be an anachronism, owing to the US not having been ruled by the crown for some time now.  So the joke is that you use a revolutionary tract to make decisions about every day life like, "Will I do the laundry today?" or "Should my cats form a nation independent of my parlimentary system in which they don't receive representation?"  And that would be funny, right, because of course cats can't vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joebetta - Thomas Paine wrote a very famous tract titled <em>Common Sense</em> in favor of the American Revolution.  So mentioning him in reference to you using common sense for all of your decision making was a history joke.</p>
<p>You see, I was implying that you read <em>Common Sense</em> and then make all of your decisions based on it.  And that&#8217;s funny, because it&#8217;s mostly about overthrowing the rule of the crown in the colonies.  Which would be an anachronism, owing to the US not having been ruled by the crown for some time now.  So the joke is that you use a revolutionary tract to make decisions about every day life like, &#8220;Will I do the laundry today?&#8221; or &#8220;Should my cats form a nation independent of my parlimentary system in which they don&#8217;t receive representation?&#8221;  And that would be funny, right, because of course cats can&#8217;t vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-99008</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-99008</guid>
		<description>Also, I thought &lt;a href="http://flowingdata.com/2008/04/23/showing-the-obama-clinton-divide-in-decision-tree-infographic/" rel="nofollow"&gt;this infographic&lt;/a&gt; was pretty interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I thought <a href="http://flowingdata.com/2008/04/23/showing-the-obama-clinton-divide-in-decision-tree-infographic/" rel="nofollow">this infographic</a> was pretty interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-99007</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-99007</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And while while we’re at it, what were the compelling reasons to vote for either of them? Other than racism or sexism, that is.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

For me, none. Their mutual rejection of free trade and likelihood of raising taxes, amongst other factors, makes voting for either an impossibility. Not to mention the fact that there will likely be a Democratic Congress. 

If you're a Democrat, however, I'd argue that Obama has substantially less baggage and a better chance of beating McCain. As far as substantive policy differences there aren't really any... which is why voting patterns this primary have largely broken down racial lines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And while while we’re at it, what were the compelling reasons to vote for either of them? Other than racism or sexism, that is.</p></blockquote>
<p>For me, none. Their mutual rejection of free trade and likelihood of raising taxes, amongst other factors, makes voting for either an impossibility. Not to mention the fact that there will likely be a Democratic Congress. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re a Democrat, however, I&#8217;d argue that Obama has substantially less baggage and a better chance of beating McCain. As far as substantive policy differences there aren&#8217;t really any&#8230; which is why voting patterns this primary have largely broken down racial lines.</p>
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		<title>By: Jobetta</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-98979</link>
		<dc:creator>Jobetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 05:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-98979</guid>
		<description>"Well Thomas Paine was a genius…."

I'll have to take your word for it, Timothy. The last time I read Thomas Paine, it was due to the threat of pain of failure (pun totally intended) from my AP History teacher. Don't remember much about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well Thomas Paine was a genius….&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have to take your word for it, Timothy. The last time I read Thomas Paine, it was due to the threat of pain of failure (pun totally intended) from my AP History teacher. Don&#8217;t remember much about it.</p>
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		<title>By: olly</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-98977</link>
		<dc:creator>olly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 05:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-98977</guid>
		<description>"Explain middle America to me, Olly. Please."

Heh, touch&#233;. 
 
"What were the compelling reasons to vote for her?"

Who said there were any? (Not me. And while while we're at it, what were the compelling reasons to vote for either of them? Other than racism or sexism, that is.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Explain middle America to me, Olly. Please.&#8221;</p>
<p>Heh, touch&eacute;. </p>
<p>&#8220;What were the compelling reasons to vote for her?&#8221;</p>
<p>Who said there were any? (Not me. And while while we&#8217;re at it, what were the compelling reasons to vote for either of them? Other than racism or sexism, that is.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-98973</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-98973</guid>
		<description>What were the compelling reasons to vote for her? She was leading by 20+ points even before the Wright or "Bitter" issues came to the forefront.

Explain middle America to me, Olly. Please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What were the compelling reasons to vote for her? She was leading by 20+ points even before the Wright or &#8220;Bitter&#8221; issues came to the forefront.</p>
<p>Explain middle America to me, Olly. Please.</p>
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		<title>By: Olly</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-98969</link>
		<dc:creator>Olly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-98969</guid>
		<description>"Of course, if there were a compelling reason to vote for Hillary over Obama then I might agree that a large portion of her base weren’t racists. Regrettably, however, none exist..."

"The candidate I favor would totally win if only the candidate you favor would succumb to the inevitable and drop out of this two-candidate race! So nyah! (And by the way, you're a racist.)"

C'mon, dude, this barely even works in the ASUO any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Of course, if there were a compelling reason to vote for Hillary over Obama then I might agree that a large portion of her base weren’t racists. Regrettably, however, none exist&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The candidate I favor would totally win if only the candidate you favor would succumb to the inevitable and drop out of this two-candidate race! So nyah! (And by the way, you&#8217;re a racist.)&#8221;</p>
<p>C&#8217;mon, dude, this barely even works in the ASUO any more.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-98968</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-98968</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I doubt that 60% of white voters are really going to the polls thinking “I’m not going to vote for a black guy.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href="http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/22/934332.aspx" rel="nofollow"&gt;Well...&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;First, only 53% of Clinton voters say they would vote for Obama. A quarter of her supporters would cross party lines and vote for John McCain and 18% would stay home.

As for Obama voters, 69% say they would vote for Hillary Clinton if she ends up the nominee against McCain; 16% would vote for McCain and 13% would stay home. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course, if there were a compelling reason to vote for Hillary over Obama then I might agree that a large portion of her base weren't racists. Regrettably, however, none exist other than her lack of a Y chromosome and adorable cackle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I doubt that 60% of white voters are really going to the polls thinking “I’m not going to vote for a black guy.”</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/22/934332.aspx" rel="nofollow">Well&#8230;</a></p>
<blockquote><p>First, only 53% of Clinton voters say they would vote for Obama. A quarter of her supporters would cross party lines and vote for John McCain and 18% would stay home.</p>
<p>As for Obama voters, 69% say they would vote for Hillary Clinton if she ends up the nominee against McCain; 16% would vote for McCain and 13% would stay home. </p></blockquote>
<p>Of course, if there were a compelling reason to vote for Hillary over Obama then I might agree that a large portion of her base weren&#8217;t racists. Regrettably, however, none exist other than her lack of a Y chromosome and adorable cackle.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-98966</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-98966</guid>
		<description>Well Thomas Paine was a genius....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Thomas Paine was a genius&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jobetta</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-98962</link>
		<dc:creator>Jobetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-98962</guid>
		<description>Oh right. Common sense. I keep forgetting  that's what I base my decisions on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh right. Common sense. I keep forgetting  that&#8217;s what I base my decisions on.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-98961</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-98961</guid>
		<description>Common sense would seem to point in that direction, Jobetta, but I don't think that's going to stop the meme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Common sense would seem to point in that direction, Jobetta, but I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s going to stop the meme.</p>
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		<title>By: Jobetta</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-98958</link>
		<dc:creator>Jobetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-98958</guid>
		<description>I hate butterflies and rainbows. And puppies. There's nothing worse than a puppy.

I don't know how much stock to put in this stuff. As far as I know, the math still works out so that Obama is almost guaranteed to get the nomination, and he won some predominantly white places, so I think these polls might have more to do with issues relating to other things with those voters (age, religion, region, concerns with jobs, etc) than solely with race. I doubt that 60% of white voters are really going to the polls thinking "I'm not going to vote for a black guy."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate butterflies and rainbows. And puppies. There&#8217;s nothing worse than a puppy.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how much stock to put in this stuff. As far as I know, the math still works out so that Obama is almost guaranteed to get the nomination, and he won some predominantly white places, so I think these polls might have more to do with issues relating to other things with those voters (age, religion, region, concerns with jobs, etc) than solely with race. I doubt that 60% of white voters are really going to the polls thinking &#8220;I&#8217;m not going to vote for a black guy.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent.</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-98943</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-98943</guid>
		<description>I guess what I was trying to get at is that the article takes it for granted that *92%* of black voters are lining up behind Obama, but that has nothing to do with race, at least as far as the article is concerned.

A 60/40 split in favor Clinton though? That's gotta be because white voters don't want a black President, even though there's not a single iota of evidence to back up that claim.

The article is basically saying that if Obama loses (in the primary or in the general), then the chief cause is white racism. I think that's an incredibly bold statement to make and one which, as I've noted, doesn't seem to have any evidence support it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess what I was trying to get at is that the article takes it for granted that *92%* of black voters are lining up behind Obama, but that has nothing to do with race, at least as far as the article is concerned.</p>
<p>A 60/40 split in favor Clinton though? That&#8217;s gotta be because white voters don&#8217;t want a black President, even though there&#8217;s not a single iota of evidence to back up that claim.</p>
<p>The article is basically saying that if Obama loses (in the primary or in the general), then the chief cause is white racism. I think that&#8217;s an incredibly bold statement to make and one which, as I&#8217;ve noted, doesn&#8217;t seem to have any evidence support it.</p>
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		<title>By: Shadow</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-98935</link>
		<dc:creator>Shadow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 04:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-98935</guid>
		<description>People don't like butterflies and rainbows!!?!?! :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People don&#8217;t like butterflies and rainbows!!?!?! :(</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-98934</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 04:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/22/clinton-wins-pennsylvania/#comment-98934</guid>
		<description>People don't like change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People don&#8217;t like change.</p>
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