Frohnmayer calls out Pacifica Forum on “gutter bigotry”
President Frohnmayer recently issued a letter denouncing the Pacifica Forum for its sometimes “unabashedly racist” content. The letter came at the urging of the community board of Oregon Hillel, a Jewish student group on campus; they were prompted to action by a disturbing, anti-semitic screed written by PF regular Valdas Anelauskas attacking ODE columnist Deborah Bloom.
While Frohnmayer spent plenty of time denouncing the forum, he was careful not to call for their outright banishment from campus. From the Register-Guard article:
Frohnmayer said in his letter that groups such as the Pacifica Forum may use UO facilities but do not speak for the university. The appearance of any speaker on campus does not imply the UO’s “endorsement, support, or even its moral indifference to the content of a message,” he wrote.
But while Frohnmayer and members of Hillel made it clear that they weren’t questioning the forum’s right to spew forth insane drivel, Anelauskas decided to have himself a free speech pity party:
Anelauskas was unimpressed. Frohnmayer, he said, “probably just caved in to the so-called Anti-Hate Task Force and it doesn’t really do him any honor.” As to the student journalist’s column, Anelauskas said he doesn’t regret his response — “not a bit.”
“This is an issue of free speech, first and foremost,” he said. “I have the right to say anything about everything, anything and anyone, including Jews.”
For being dedicated to the free dissemination of ideas and discussion, some members of the Pacifica Forum get awfully touchy when criticized. In fact, it seems to be a standard defense of theirs to cry “censorship!” whenever challenged. Maybe Anelauskas should get used to the fact that there will be public backlash to his abhorrent ideas. Oh, and by the way, you don’t have the right to “say anything about everything, anything and anyone.” Freedom of expression is not absolute, at least if the Supreme Court of the United States has anything to say about it.
Even Orval Etter, the founder and defender of the Pacifica Forum, is starting to catch on to Anelauskas’ douchebaggery, although not as decisively as one would hope:
Etter expressed some concerns about Anelauskas but did not outright denounce his views. “I now see he’s taken a more anti-Semitic position; I didn’t sense that at first,” Etter said. “He’s a fairly scholarly guy. There’s been some yelling about him having a platform, but (people) are not picking him apart in terms of what he’s coming up with.”
What he’s coming up with? Anelauskas’ presentations are “fairly scholarly” in the same way the Time Cube is fairly scientific. People don’t debunk Anelauskas’ claims because they have no basis in reality. I can’t conclusively disprove the idea that a secret cabal of Jewish bankers run the world, much the same way that I can’t disprove that there’s a Ford Pinto orbiting Saturn.
For the record, I don’t believe the Pacifica Forum should be kicked off campus. Most people go through their lives never actually hearing the kind of things Anelauskas says. Most people aren’t aware this kind of thinking is still around, much less in their hometown. You could consider this a good thing, but on the other hand they never have the chance to refute it, to think critically, defend and further illuminate the truth. As John Milton wrote in 1664 in his Areopagitica:
“Though all the winds of doctrine were let loose to play upon the earth, so Truth be in the field, we do injuriously by licensing and prohibiting to misdoubt her strength. Let her and Falsehood grapple; who ever knew Truth put to the worse in a free and open encounter?”
My coverage of the Pacifica Forum is archived here.
April 19th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Oregon Hillel is off-campus. But good post - totally agree that Pacifica Forum should be given a space on campus for the very reasons you mentioned above: people simply forget that this kind of thinking DOES and ALWAYS exists. And when people become too passive, then bad shit happens. So I hope Vlad, the fucking anti-Semite racist he is, keeps going on and on so he can keep being made to look foolish.
However, if he starts to invade Poland we got problems on our hands.
April 19th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
“Gutter bigotry” is a really good locution.
However: there’s an “Anti-Hate Task Force” now? Do they have a theme song?
April 19th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
Olly: They’ve been around forever. I think they even had an office next to ours — before the yarn people moved in.
April 19th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
Those yarn people are defunct. Consequently, the OC will be expanding our square footage shortly.
We’ll be needing more room for our up-and-coming stripper pole.
April 20th, 2008 at 6:52 am
Tyler - I thought that was the Bias Response Team?
April 20th, 2008 at 9:07 am
Damn CJ, first a Becket reference and now Milton? Are you taking an intro to English lit class or something?
April 20th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
>>>What he’s coming up with? Anelauskas’ presentations are “fairly scholarly” in the same way the Time Cube is fairly scientific.<<<
Seems you’ve forgotten that you’ve NOT EVER attended one of Valdas’ presentations, Mr. C.
Even Irwin Noparstak had to take copious notes during Valdas’ series on Zionism and Russia, in order to find out from his AHTF toadies whether there were any errors in Valdas’ (very scholarly) approach. No one has questioned his facts, they instead attack his personal views, which were originally obtained from a personal email he’d written to Michael Williams. His sources in the presentations were predominantly Jewish authors and he always offered the title, and page number, often had the actual book in hand for us to view. I think you are simply parroting here, can’t tell how conscious a choice it is, for you.
Oh, and congratulations. MWilliams announced yesterday that Jeff Wright found and extracted his letter to PF at your blog. Be careful the loop you’ve put yourself in doesn’t get too tight.
April 20th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
P.S. Beautifully appropriate “close”. Yes, truth IS in the field.
April 20th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Jake: No, I’ve just been trying to be more pretentious lately. I’m hoping it will get me laid. I mean, it works for Harold Bloom, right?
DC: I have attended one of Valdas’ lectures, actually. The Martin Luther King lecture that Jimmy Marr read was written by Anelauskas. Most of the “evidence” presented consisted of unreleased FBI wiretaps and tangential connections between the Communist Party and the NAACP, Southern Leadership Conference, et al. Shouldn’t the fact that Anelauskas managed to spin that into a worldwide plot by Jewish communists to divide and conquer America tell you something?
Furthermore, I’ve looked at a lot of the material Anelauskas has posted online, such as a lecture on the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. I’m not sure if you’re aware, but the Protocols are not a credible source, and anyone who uses them as such is laughable. I haven’t looked at any of the other books he’s using, but I’m assuming the “scholarship” in them is a lot like your pal Mark Weber’s - lazy and fallacious.
April 20th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
I heard Gulley was the special guest speaker next week???
April 20th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
I am watching an animal planet show about some amphibian called a “sicilian” and the babies eventually eat their mother alive. This reminds me of a certain senator
April 20th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Why the delay in my 4:00 post?
Guess I’m being filtered. In much the same way as the Jeff Wright article was delayed, I speculate.
Outrageous.
April 20th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
RE: My 4:00 post.
Here’s a copy/less the link I’d provided.
>>>”DC: I have attended one of Valdas’ lectures, actually. The Martin Luther King lecture that Jimmy Marr read was written by Anelauskas.”<<<
So,
C.J., if I attend a briefing where notes from _Doug Feith are read aloud, I can purport that I have attended a lecture by Doug Feith?
hmm. I’m always learning~
The notes that Valdas put together for the “MLK /Communist?” forum, were to aid someone else in bolstering a topic that Orval chose, which, by the way, was well explained contextually, in the 45+ minutes of preface, which Orval gave. Were you late?
Also, Valdas’ bit on the Protocols, in the summer of 2006, was presented (in real time,) in a diplomatic way. It was offered as a segue from his Zionism in Russia series, in answer to earnest questions from a regular attendant. What he has posted at his site made use of his research, but is not what was presented. You forget that he has been under rather vicious attack since the AHTF formed, to taint the messenger, rather than attempt to counter his FACTS. People react when forced to work with an atmosphere of attack, I don’t blame him a bit for “pushing BACK”, flexing his Free Speech muscle. This is still America (quick glance at the watch).
Watching the reactions to him in this town —most often by those who’ve never heard his lectures, has been very telling.
April 20th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Yeah, DC. You’re right. It’s very telling that in a town full of reasonably intelligent, educated people, there is backlash against a hateful, bigoted douchebag. We’re the bad ones. Yup.
April 20th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Sorry, DC. The spam filter is being a little heavy-handed today.
Anywho, considering the Anelauskas wrote the entire speech that Marr presented, I think it’s fair to say that I’ve heard an Anelauskas lecture. A rose by any other name, right?
I remember Jimmy Marr remarking in a later forum that Anelauskas asked him to read it because of Anelauskas’ thick accent. A little different than putting notes together “to aid someone else in bolstering a topic” wouldn’t you say?
Also, I haven’t heard you put up a defense for Anelauskas’ vile letter to Deborah Bloom. Where’s the scholarship in that? Where’s the “FACTS”? All I read was frothing-at-the-mouth bigotry. To wit:
“[O]nly from people of that peculiar tribe can we expect such Talmudic hatred for humanity. There is even a famous saying that wars are the Jews’ harvest. And today it is truer than ever.”
Wow, look at that level-headed and astute analysis! He’s a regular Rhodes Scholar. How unfortunate that people pigeon-hole him as a racist without listening to his “FACTS.”
April 20th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
I suspect he has finished with the level headed approach, it did not work very well for him with regard to combating the CALC ‘Anti’ Hate Force’s (rather transparent) discredit-the-Lithuanian messenger-before-his-points-gain-traction, campaign.
Many people write in a relaxed/ ‘familiar’ way, when posting on blogs. Like this, for instance: “Apparently, the Daily Emerald, Hillel, the OC (and Frohnmayer, by extension) condone the lude and sexist comments which remain posted at the Deborah Bloom piece, preferring to single out Valdas’, only. The other posters threats of raping the student journalist or waterboarding her, don’t ruffle Hal Applebaum, no sir-ee…” because Hal doesn’t have an issue with them. Valdas Anelauskas is what Applebaum fears~
(Hal should stick to “Freeing Johnathon Pollard”, convicted American Spy for Israel/ how’s that campaign going for ya, Hal?) THIS IS THE INTERNATIONAL ZIONIST CONSPIRACY SPEAKING: STOP POSTING LONG TEXT LINKS TO THIS BLOG, OR FACE THE CONSEQUENCES. WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO SEND ADAM SANDLER TO GET YOU. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING YOU WANT)
~The DBloom piece was pure drivel, a dangerously naive spin on a hyper-important topic. She sucked it. He called her on it, with fury. Did you ever actually read it CJ, or are you going by the Doug Feith version(s) of it? Many of us would never have read it, if not for Michael Williams useful idioting for Applebaum, +.
>>There is even a famous saying that wars are the Jews’ harvest.<< ~ wasn’t he quoting some French Ambassador?
Lastly, the notes that Valdas put together for Jimmy’s “MLK Communist?” half of that PF, were gathered by Valdas, cut and pasted, to add to Orval’s first hand experiences, they were not “written” by him, so NO. I don’t think “it’s fair” to for you to say you’ve attended an Anelauskas lecture.
He did however, write all of his lectures on Zionism and Russia.
I was present for 7 of the 9 lectures and have very detailed notes of what was actually said/ presented. And I know Valdas personally. The only threat he represents is to those who cling to the pervasive, spoon-fed, fairy-tale [Z]versions of history. Their reality is at risk, if they ever decide to peek outside their tunnel. Some find it simpler to discredit and silence any messenger who writes with a revisionist pen.
Big difference.
April 20th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
To DC: Anelauskas’ was the only comment removed because it was the only one that was hate speech.
April 20th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
Just noticed this comment from “H”. (That you, Hal?)
>>Yeah, DC. You’re right. It’s very telling that in a town full of reasonably intelligent, educated people, there is backlash against a hateful, bigoted douchebag. We’re the bad ones. Yup.<<<
You’re a bit late, H. You seem to be missing my main point which is that The Hate-Force is responsible for promoting and producing said “Hate”. Of the core 28 people that helped incite the community, via CALC’s signature campaign, more than half had never attended a single Pacifica Forum. The lackey-ringleader at CALC, Michael Carrigan (one of the 3 main signatories, along with Sally Sheklow and Marion Malcolm) told me definitively, that “their basis is Michael Williams’ word, and that’s good enough for him”. The other 2 would not meet with me. Sally “Sheklow” slammed her door in my face, claiming a need to sit on her ass rather than meet with the likes of me… Malcolm ducked me until I deemed it ludicrous to keep trying. It’s a little closed door society, unlike the Forum. But you already know all this, H, if you are “Hal” Applebaum, you work behind the closed door of the CALC Lobby.
“A lobby is like a night flower: it thrives in the dark and dies in the sun.” ~Steve Rosen /Former AIPAC head, indicted spy for Israel, trial pending and pending (and pending).
I wish the CALC [Creating Anti-Semitism in Lane County] LOTS of sunlight.
April 20th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
I assure you I am not Hal Applebaum. Not even the same gender. Or close to the same age. Come to think of it, I’m not entirely sure who Hal Abbplebaum is. There are multiple people in the world with the same initial who prefer not to use their real names. I’m a student about to graduate and I like to limit what can come up in Google searches of my name. I don’t care if you believe me, but I thought I should let you know you’re jumping to some incorrect conclusions.
I am, however, a person who HAS attended a PF meeting and read Anelauskas’ post on Deborah Bloom’s column. That post was hate speech, plain and simple. And what I heard at the PF meeting I went to was far from intelligent discourse. What I heard there represented at best, ignorance and at worst, hatred. Everything CJ chronicled in his coverage of the meetings fit with what I’ve seen at the meetings.
April 20th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Now I know who you are, you’re the frowning one from the “MLK/Communist?” Forum.
(Hi.)
I believe you’re not Hal Applebaum. /Knew I was going out on a limb.
Where did you hear “hatred” at that MLK Forum?
And what, of the offering, could be characterized as “ignorant”?
>>Everything CJ chronicled in his coverage of the meetings fit with what I’ve seen at the meetings.<<
Interesting. When you say “meetings” plural, you intimate you’ve been to more than one.
CJ has been to what, 4 or so, now? We meet near every week, FIFTY TIMES PER YEAR.
Thinking you ought to come back~ bring an open minded friend. You too, CJ.
April 20th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
PS,
Would one of you more up to date in PC dogma people furnish a (PC) definition of “Hate Speech” for me?
many thanks.
[Insert Jeopardy final round tune]…
April 20th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Silly DC, just look it up on Wikipedia. It’s what everyone else does: Hate Speech
April 21st, 2008 at 6:25 am
Gsim: “Those yarn people are defunct.”
I am oddly saddened by this news. They could have evolved into a kind of yarn-weaving/anti-Pacifica Forum umbrella group.
April 21st, 2008 at 7:26 am
DC - You’re hilarious buddy, thanks. Serious question though, why are you quoting stuff like this is usenet? It’s 2008 man, learn to use a little html!
April 21st, 2008 at 10:20 am
DC seems to be wildly thrashing about, unable to comprehend that most people view the Pacifica Forum as vile and bigoted not because of paralyzing ignorance or some grand conspiracy against the noble crusaders of truth, but rather because most people think the things that come out of the forum are vile and bigoted.
It kind of reminds me of Diego Hernandez’s “I mean he called me a racist, what does that mean?” line.
April 21st, 2008 at 3:09 pm
>>>most people think the things that come out of the forum are vile and bigoted…<<<
The easiest people to propagandize, are those who don’t even know they’re being propagandized.
(PS It’s no “grand conspiracy”, it’s rather lame and transparent, at least as far as who the perps have been..Yet unfortunately, they’re effective enough.
Have a good life, crew~ I’ll just ask that in future encounters, whereby any of you may decide to help a small group discredit another; it’d be wisest to do your research, your OWN research, it’ll have better long term results than the usual sheeple-seal bark.
Winston
April 21st, 2008 at 3:19 pm
For Laura,
LINK FIXED USING MAGIC HTML. TRY IT SOMETIME.
THE CAMERA EYES IN ON ISRAEL… AND LIES
A pro-Israel pressure group is orchestrating a secret, long-term campaign to infiltrate the popular online encyclopedia Wikipedia to rewrite Palestinian history, pass off crude propaganda as fact, and take over Wikipedia administrative structures to ensure these changes go either undetected or unchallenged.
Posted Apr 21, 2008 11:50 AM PST
Category: COMPUTERS/INTERNET/SECURITY
April 21st, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Riad Hamad, 55, Rest in Peace.
LINK FIXED AGAIN BY THE MANAGEMENT. HTML IS NOT CONTROLLED BY ORGANIZED JEWRY. IT IS YOUR FRIEND.
~
Man found in Lady Bird Lake was teacher, FBI target
SERIOUSLY, STOP IT
Austin police said Thursday that they are leaning toward a ruling of suicide in the death of a middle school teacher and activist whose body was found Wednesday in Lady Bird Lake with his hands and legs bound and tape over his eyes.
Police identified Riad Hamad, 55, at a news conference Thursday and said the binding of his limbs and the placement of the tape was consistent with Hamad having done it himself.
Posted Apr 21, 2008 11:28 AM PST
Category: ASSASSINATION
See Mossad death squads operating in the US By Robert Fisk
more at whatreallyhappened.com
April 21st, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Hey, dc. Use html to make links. It fucks up our navbar if you just paste the URL into your comments. Here’s how you do it. Real simple.
April 21st, 2008 at 3:53 pm
dc: Did you seriously use the word “sheeple”?
April 21st, 2008 at 3:54 pm
You forgot to fix my Jewish Groups vie to Free Johnathon Pollard link (NYTIMES)
Thanks, I don’t know how to act w/out toolbars.
Regards.
April 21st, 2008 at 3:56 pm
So, tell me again how obsession with Jews and Israeli conspiracies to control information and assassinate people isn’t anti-Semitism?
April 21st, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Oh, and Robert Fisk and Electric Intifada? You might as well start quoting Goebbels and the Protocols. They’re just about as credible.
April 21st, 2008 at 4:05 pm
More on Riad Hamad
One try. Thanks.
(I am doing other things also/ thanks for the page)
April 21st, 2008 at 4:07 pm
>>>They’re just about as credible.<<<
Are you sure, Vincent?
gotta run. (very)
April 21st, 2008 at 4:07 pm
You do realize that linking to a website that refers to “World Jewry” doesn’t really help your cause, right?
April 21st, 2008 at 4:24 pm
World Jewry doesn’t include every Jewish person, Vincent.
I know, I know, you’re thinking “…where’s my royalty check?”
Heard most of ‘em, I have.
Bye.
April 21st, 2008 at 6:04 pm
DC is nothing more than a shill for hate. I think he needs to be displayed at the Oregon Zoo as a rare species of asshole.
April 21st, 2008 at 6:53 pm
World Jewry doesn’t include every Jewish person, Vincent.
Only the eeeeevil ones!
April 21st, 2008 at 8:15 pm
CJ, I tried using the instructions on the HTML site you referred DC to for posting a comment on another blog, and I couldn’t get it to work. This site here has instructions that did work, under “Anchor.”
April 21st, 2008 at 10:36 pm
By the way CJ, your title is pretty off~
Frohnmayer calls out Pacifica Forum on “gutter bigotry”
Frohnmayer referred to the blog post as “Gutter Bigotry”. Pacifica Forum did not write that post.
Also, to Vincent.
>>So, tell me again how obsession with Jews and Israeli conspiracies to control information and assassinate people isn’t anti-Semitism? <<
If I am obsessed with something, it is with seeking the truth. The quick snatches of articles from today’s news that I chose to link (hat tip to the management), were offered as current events, context pertinent, I thought, to the [lack of] scope here, at this blog. News is a wonderful thing. Depending on where you get it. Has an amazing ability to broaden your world view. You’ll learn this, as you grow up.
April 22nd, 2008 at 2:15 am
Okay, so a guy died. You think Jews did it? Why not just a plain ol’ person?
You, DC, are not only obsessed, but are in dire need of removing yourself from the gene pool.
April 22nd, 2008 at 6:59 am
Jews are plain ‘ole people, Sakaki. And I’ve not actually thought about who I think killed him, the point is that there are many things going on that warrant examination, things you won’t see on ZNN and FAUX. And once you’re paying attention to the degree in which our lame-stream media is filtered, there is little reason to pick up the remote, except to get even more brain-dead.
Lets see if any of today’s “talking points” by The US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation, make the headlines: Read ‘em in honor of this week’s suicided Palestinian activist, teacher, father and humanitarian.
But it’s all to easy to predict how the House will vote today, do you read, kaki?
Talking Points on H. Con. Res. 322 and Israel’s 60th Anniversary
* The establishment of the State of Israel was accompanied by the widespread ethnic cleansing and dispossession of indigenous Palestinians from their homes and lands. Israel destroyed at least 418 Palestinian villages and towns and caused to flee or forcibly exiled at least 711,000 Palestinians. Palestinians recall this record of destruction, dispossession, and ethnic cleansing as the Nakba, or “catastrophe”, in Arabic.
* To this day, Israel has prevented these Palestinian refugees and their descendants, who now number nearly 4.5 million people, from exercising their right to return despite the fact that this right is guaranteed generally under international humanitarian law and specifically by UN General Assembly Resolution 194. Meanwhile, Israel adopted a law of return which guarantees Israeli citizenship to Jewish people worldwide. By treating people differently based on ethnicity or religion, Israel’s differential treatment of Palestinian refugees and Jewish immigrants is one manifestation of its apartheid policies.
* Palestinians who were not ethnically cleansed from their homes and lands in 1948 were given Israeli citizenship but remain subject to discriminatory policies. Palestinians with Israeli citizenship were forced to live under military occupation until 1966. The Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel today counts more than 20 Israeli laws that explicitly discriminate against Palestinian citizens of Israel who comprise approximately 20% of Israel’s population. Palestinian citizens of Israel are also discriminated against in land use policies and Palestinian communities in Israel receive disproportionately less government funding than Jewish communities. The second-class citizenship of Palestinians in Israel and the discrimination they are subjected to are another manifestation of Israel’s apartheid policies.
* Since 1967, Israel has illegally occupied the Palestinian West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza Strip. Israel’s brutal record of collective punishment, torture, killing of civilians, building illegal Israeli settlements, walls, barriers, and checkpoints is well-documented by Israeli, Palestinian, and international human rights organizations. The fact that Palestinians are subjected to military laws under perpetual military occupation while Israeli settlers are subjected to civil law and can drive on Israeli-only roads in the Occupied Palestinian Territories is yet another manifestation of Israel’s apartheid policies.
Given Israel’s 60-year record of ethnic cleansing, dispossession, discrimination, military occupation, and apartheid against Palestinians, the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation urges Representatives not to vote for resolutions or make statements that fail to recognize the historic injustices that Israel has inflicted on the Palestinian people and the injustices that it continues to inflict daily. Members of Congress have an obligation to pass resolutions and make statements that accurately reflect the historical record and not unambiguously applaud the anniversary of countries such as Israel with such dismal human rights records.
On Tuesday, April 22, the House of Representatives is scheduled to vote under suspension on H. Con. Res. 322, “recognizing the 60th Anniversary of the founding of the modern State of Israel and reaffirming the bonds of close friendship and cooperation between the United States and Israel.” In addition, Speaker Pelosi has reserved floor time each week through June for Representatives to make statements on Israel’s 60th anniversary.
The US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation, a national coalition of more than 250 organizations working to change U.S. policy toward Israel/Palestine to support human rights, international law and equality for all, has prepared the following talking points for the consideration of Representatives voting on resolutions and making statements on the occasion of Israel’s 60th anniversary.
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:28 am
I think the media pun quota has officially been fulfilled for this entire fucking century.
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:30 am
HC you and gulley should hang out I bet you would get along real well
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:49 am
The US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation? Not a reliable source.
Geez, your sources are lacking, biased, and effectively dismissable.
April 22nd, 2008 at 1:01 pm
I’m still trying to figure out how defending Pacifica Forum against charges of racism and anti-Semitism by churning out post after post of textbook anti-Semitic conspiracy mongering and linking to extremist websites filled with rhetoric about “apartheid” and “World Jewry” is supposed to encourage anyone to attend a Pacifica Forum meeting to “see for themselves” what an enlightened and open-minded atmosphere it really is.
DC just hasn’t figured out that in most societies, some viewpoints — “THE JEWS DID IT!!!!” being one of them — simply are no longer acceptable, no matter how hard people try to dress it up underneath the tattered rags of “peace and justice” or “truth seeking”.
Your ideas are antiques, mate. They date from such lovely places and times as Tsarist Russia, Medieval Europe, Nazi Germany, and the Soviet Union, to name a few. It’s time to pack that shit up, throw it in a box, and toss it in the dumpster. Like the KKK, the most of the world has left you and your ideas behind.
April 22nd, 2008 at 1:31 pm
DC, I’d also like to point out that if you’re going for the “PC apologists” angle, you’re barking up the wrong tree. People have in the past and continue to call the Commentator and its writers “hateful,” racist” and “ignorant.” Because of this we don’t throw out such words flippantly. The fact that I’m calling Anelauskas a racist should tell you something.
Read his letter to Deborah Bloom again. Carefully. He’s not attacking Bloom. He’s attacking the Jewish race.
April 22nd, 2008 at 1:56 pm
CJ, you beat me to the argument that the Commentator calling out the PF for its racism is quite telling, given the accusations thrown at you from certain other people on this campus.
At this point, the arguing seems pretty ridiculous. Is there any point in continuing to acknowledge DC’s existence?
April 22nd, 2008 at 1:56 pm
That letter to Bloom is nauseating.
April 22nd, 2008 at 2:15 pm
@Jan: Yeah, after that first paragraph, my mind shut off. Actually, wait, it was when the cringe-inducing neologism “sheeple” was used.
@Olly: I imagine the AHTF theme song as a marching band version of “Get Together” by the Youngbloods.
April 22nd, 2008 at 7:08 pm
I keep getting it confused with the ATHF theme song.
April 22nd, 2008 at 7:20 pm
“Your ideas are antiques, mate. They date from such lovely places and times as Tsarist Russia, Medieval Europe, Nazi Germany, and the Soviet Union, to name a few.”
Vincent - mate - not that I disagree with you here, but your ideas are also antiques, as are mine. Many of them can be sourced to similarly lovely places. (Presumably you wouldn’t accept this line of argument yourself?)
Meanwhile, I posted this link before, and it still speaks for itself. DC’s insistence that you have to attend all the Pacifica Forum’s meetings - and, apparently, exhaust the internet’s entire supply of lunatics - in order to come to certain conclusions about them need not be taken seriously.
April 22nd, 2008 at 7:57 pm
Tim: for a second there I thought you meant the Anti Task Hate Force.
April 22nd, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Olly: Fair enough, though I’m not sure that civilized society has really rejected too many of my ideas or yours quite as thoroughly as DC’s rank anti-Semitism has been. So while it’s true that many of my ideas are antiquated in the sense that they are old and date from such societies as Imperial Britain or Prussia, which few today would find to be just or equitable, they maintain a certain currency that Jew bashing does not.
But your point is taken in any case.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:52 pm
Sakaki;
>>>Geez, your sources are lacking, biased, and effectively dismissable.<<>The fact that I’m calling Anelauskas a racist should tell you something.<>>Yeah, after that first paragraph, my mind shut off.<<<
It sho-ed
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:54 pm
Sakaki;
>>Geez, your sources are lacking, biased, and effectively dismissable.<>The fact that I’m calling Anelauskas a racist should tell you something.<>Yeah, after that first paragraph, my mind shut off.<<
It sho-ed
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:56 pm
~Hmm. Trying to post a thing.
Guess the little chicken feet are not allowed tonight?
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:58 pm
Sakaki Said;
Geez, your sources are lacking, biased, and effectively dismissable.
This is like the sub-atom-ny [sic] of my sourcing, I was using real time, a sampling of stories from that particular hour.
What is the source from which you ’speak?
CJ said ;
The fact that I’m calling Anelauskas a racist should tell you something.
Yeah. It does. It tells me that you’re OK with casting stones at someone, based on a cursory glance, at what he’s about. You attended ZERO of his Forum lectures, you probably have never spoken with him~ yet you’ve been on him [sic], for what, 5 months now? (What first prompted you to write about Valdas, or the Pacifica Forum, anyway?) …Then, when he~IN DEFENSE of countless slaughtered people, delivers a ‘politically’ -”incorrect” electronic comment (at a mind- bogglingly-ignorant, PRINTED, student columnist’s pro-neoCON FABLE piece), YOU chose, to let your site and talents, be USED, by the kingpins/core-perps of the smear Pacifica Forum ‘game’.
Oh, and ..I think “Racialist” may be the more accurate term. Just ask some of his friends.
Sho said;
>>Yeah, after that first paragraph, my mind shut off.<<
It sho-ed.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:21 am
Wow what a cluster fuck! Interesting shit show non the less…
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:30 am
Whoa, easy on the submit button there dc. You might break it. Or wait, is “World Jewry” also to blame for double comment posts?
I can see it now, “Zionist overlords undermine comment sections of weblogs on the World Wide Web.”
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:36 am
Here I thought the Freemassons were to blame, dam it!
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:17 am
I dammed a Freemason once, didn’t generate much electricity.
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:47 am
“It tells me that you’re OK with casting stones at someone, based on a cursory glance, at what he’s about.”
I’ve linked to the guy’s collected works twice now, including once in this thread. What exactly must one do, DC, in order to be qualified to form an opinion about Valdas Anelauskas and his collection of interesting notions? Move to Oregon and hang out at the Pacifica Forum while he burbles about ZOG or whatever? Follow him around with a documentary crew for six months? Move into his basement and start folding a tinfoil hat of one’s own?
(By the way, I find it tremendously amusing that the relatively simple proposition “Anelauskas be craaaazy!” apparently requires so much to back it up, whereas “Zionist conspiracy rules the world!” is supposed to be self-evident to all but the benighted sheeple.)
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:12 am
DC wrote: “What first prompted you to write about Valdas, or the Pacifica Forum, anyway?”
Well, the short answer is that Valdas and crew come to my campus and spew anti-Semitic garbage. But I’m guessing you want the long answer. Well, here it is: the true story of how a naive college reporter was manipulated by shadowy forces to bring down a peaceful discussion forum and suppress The Truth.
It all started back in October, I believe. I was walking around campus, and I saw a poster for the Mark Weber lecture. Being the astute journalist that I am, I jotted down the information and wrote this blog post.
Unfortunately, I was out of town for Weber’s lecture, but my interest was piqued. I decided to do an investigative piece on the forum, which came out in the Holiday Issue of the Commentator (pg. 8). I interviewed Etter, dug up some great stuff about Jimmy Marr bringing a desecrated menorah to a meeting, etc.
The forum fell off my radar for a little bit, until I saw another delightful poster titled “Martin Luther King: Communist?” Once again, being the astute journalist that I am, I jotted down the information and made sure to attend the meeting.
My blog post about the MLK lecture caught the attention of the Eugene Weekly, who sent their own reporter to find out what was going on. (She had also previously covered the forum). The reporter got a hold of Anelauskas’ letter to Bloom and wrote part of it into her article.
This in turn got the attention of Oregon Hillel, who urged Frohnmayer to denounce Anelauskas and the forum. Frohnmayer did so, and the Register-Guard covered it. The reporter for the R-G tracked some of the story back to this blog, and the whole clusterfuck came full circle.
There you have it, DC. That’s your grand conspiracy - the coincidental meeting of an alkie student journalist and a couple of posters.
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:25 pm
: )
Thanks for the honesty & upright-ness in your post, here.
I never said you’d suppressed the truth, only that you’d perpetuated the (the carefully crafted) caricature, initially proffered by those who’d prefer PF did not exist, for reasons less obvious than you’d assume. Most of the profferers have not attended our Forums, either.
Hillel (via Applebaum, mainly,) has been dissing the Forum since 2003, stemming from Orval’s showing of 2 videos, which, I’m told, documented aspects of Israel’s illegal Occupation of Palestine.
But that’s what Hillel does (aside from hosting govt.. SHILLS like Dennis Ross (Scooter Libby cohort) on Campus. They’re a pressure group. Perception management. Just one prong in a myriad of the gd pitchforks used to serve up the lobby’s agenda (agendi?). Smack your lips, tomorrow’s another day…
Have more to say~ Just home. Wednesday’s are always long..
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:36 pm
I started attending PF in ‘05 and never caught wind of Hillel-HAL (as in, he did not attend,) until around the time we publicized our hosting of Jeff BlankfortFAQ, and of Alison WeirFAQ, in the spring of 2006. (Both guests are Jewish, by the way, and were fonts of good info/current and historical.) Hal again objected (and here, he actually attended ONE Forum: “Washington DC~ Israeli Occupied Territory?) As far as I can tell, he has been shilling ever since.
For whom? I could create a flow chart, anybody dare me./?
LINKS FIXED BY THE MANAGEMENT, WHO DARES YOU TO COME UP WITH A FLOW CHART AS COMPELLING AS THE MANAGEMENT IS CAPABLE OF USING VISIO!
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Thought I got that right. Sorry. I better go eat dinner.
I’ll try to fix it later. Plus I want to tell you about the menorah
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:20 pm
Thought…oh, that’s quaint.
Dude, for serious? “American Jews are to blame for the occupation of parts of Syria and Jordan by Israel!” If that isn’t anti-semitism I’m not quite sure what would qualify. Don’t you have a book burning rally to get to or something?
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:55 pm
HREF=”http://www.israelshamir.net/friends/blankfort.html”>Jeff Blankfort
HREF=”http://ifamericansknew.org/”>Alison Weir
As for the menorah (Dec. 2006), I considered it as an artistic response to the solid 2 months of Anti-PF slander spewed forth, by core members of the Hate Force, in the R-G… back to back “testimonials” in the mailbag, replete with accusations designed to convince the community that PF was doing “something wrong”, with little care for THE FACTS. [Oct-Dec. 06]
Never did the Hate Force voice their concerns to PF.
Early Dec. brought the “CALC signature ad”/ along with MWs’ dire warning/plea for money, that “the Forum provides the intellectual fuel for Hate Crimes, such as the recent spate of anti-semitic grafitti in South Eugene..” [paraphrasing there.]
It garnered 500+ signatures, untold $$$, and ran in the A-section of the R-G…
Need it be said that of the hundreds of funders-signers had not themselves, attended the Forum? Only a handful of people that I know of (most those that had visited the Forum) opted out/recognized what was happening…
The Menorah welded atop the army helmet, was a few days later, when we were asked at the last minute to prepare something w/RE to the topic of the signature ad. Fire with fire I guess you could say.
Too tired to write.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:27 pm
As per V. coming on campus and “spewing Anti-Semitic garbage”, that’s a place where you and I veer. My opinion is based on having been present for his lecture series.
His presentations did NOT warrant the viciousness with which the lobby purports was necessary to “protect the community”/ there was no “garbage” there. I view your statement as a product of the bally-hooing; a repercussion of their PR campaign, it’s blowback, essentially (sorry “Jan”), all of it is..
Yes, his post on that offensive article is offensive.
But I think you folks are all saying he is wrong to express his thoughts~
and that, to me, is more offensive.
~
PS THIS Friday 4/25 @ 4:00 pm, after an open floor for Current Event discussion, the Pacifica Forum /attendees will be invited to participate in a workshop toward drafting a response to President Frohnmayer’s letter to colleagues, as we listen to a recording of his (September 11, 2007) lecture on “Tolerance”.
All are welcome.
April 24th, 2008 at 12:39 am
Call Hillel. Let’s get Rosenberg and a few others over there to kick the shit out of the anti-semitic bitches.
April 24th, 2008 at 1:48 am
Thank fucking god DC is screwing up the formatting of the entire site due to a paralyzing inability to learn basic fucking HTML.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:17 am
dude wake up clear your beautiful mind and find another Sudoku puzzle to read tea leafs with. This shit is wasting precious cognitation with regard to real things that deserve thought like bouncy breasts and pear like asses. The Jew are in control of a tiny slever of sand that is surrounded by salty water, really??? Read a comic book or something, Justice League, restore that faith budy.
April 30th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
“Ossie” I feel like you were premature to shut off that other thread from comments as you did, in the middle of the night last night.
[Pacifica Forum responds to Frohnmayer] HTML, please?
I know you were out drinking, but your timing sucked. Now Michael Williams comments (and his alter-ego’s; “River”) are left standing, without sufficient response. Additionally, CJ’s article/post is misleading, with regard to 2 points, at least.
I am just home now and v.tired, so I will simply cut and paste my hurried, pre-work/ pre-school comment from this morning, here, so that it will at least be included in your PF archive. Feel free to put it on the thread it was supposed to go on~ I chose the Holy Cow cuzza the title, and cuz I’ve known Kathee and Anton forever.
Finally, In response to this:
Ossie says: >>dc: It has been nice conversing with you and your group of crazies over the past months, but I think it is time to move on.<<
I have never written to you, or conversed with you. And the first time I ever read/posted here was MARCH 20th, mainly because Daniel Pope chimed in. [drink?]
Here’s my this morning’s blocked post, less the John Mearsheimer quote. Would like to know if you’d prefer I don’t come to this blog anymore..
dc Says:
April 30th, 2008 at 7:28 am
dc: It has been nice conversing with you and your group of crazies over the past months, but I think it is time to move on. I don’t see our relationship going anywhere at this point and think it is best we go separate ways. I will always cherish the time we had together and I wish you the best in your future endeavors.
Always with love,
The Oregon Commentator
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Last post:
Alright. Happy witch-hunting.
CJ, The portion of Valdas lecture that you have posted, is from a Forum which he delivered AFTER the Hate Force had been lashing out against him and the PF. We had been under attack for many weeks~
This is what I described earlier as Valdas responding to the Hate Force’s [covert and vicious] attacks, by “flexing his Free Speech muscle”. His first 7 lectures (spread out over as many months,) were delivered diplomatically. Only the final 2 were born within the framework of censorship and hate created by the CALC umbrella group.
Outta here.
PS
ALI: Professor Mearsheimer, you and several academics recently convened in Chicago, Rockafeller Chapel, and you said academia is the only space where Israel is “treated as a normal country, where past and present actions are critically assessed,” and the place where public opinion on the matter is most accurately reflected…[snip]
April 30th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Ossie, maybe you thought “michaele” was someone other than Michael Williams. And if he is not also “River” then there is ONLY ONE other possibility, but THAT IS MWilliams’ writing, I swear.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
“michaele” is me, Michael E. Williams, former UO student currently working with the Community Alliance of Lane County on a variety of projects, the Anti-Hate Task Force being one of them, and not my favorite piece of business.
I don’t know “river.” I say this not because it is really anybody’s business, but perhaps to save river from the invective dc heaps on me. I don’t mind, I’m kinda used to it, but river might not be as insensitive and calloused, with such a well-developed sense of humor.
Should we get up a lottery on how many discussions dc will pull the plug on? When the “last post” will be? When the horse will be buried?