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	<title>Comments on: Fascinating Logic</title>
	<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/</link>
	<description>Free Minds, Free Markets, Free Booze</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98759</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 04:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98759</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;I apologize everyone, this day on I’m voting for the KKK…oops I mean republican…&lt;/i&gt;

You're starting to slip there, chummer. All I did was point out a spelling error. Where you got all that stuff about "decimating your opinion", to say nothing of the KKK and voting Republican, I dunno.

But try to hold it together, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I apologize everyone, this day on I’m voting for the KKK…oops I mean republican…</i></p>
<p>You&#8217;re starting to slip there, chummer. All I did was point out a spelling error. Where you got all that stuff about &#8220;decimating your opinion&#8221;, to say nothing of the KKK and voting Republican, I dunno.</p>
<p>But try to hold it together, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Zach Basaraba</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98756</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach Basaraba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 04:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98756</guid>
		<description>We in all seriousness should all get together on a weekend, have a few beers (well I don't drink) and talk and argue about everything to our hearts content. I here you and Johnny can party pretty hard (which one of you got kicked out of a college for drinking too much?) and I enjoy these conversations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We in all seriousness should all get together on a weekend, have a few beers (well I don&#8217;t drink) and talk and argue about everything to our hearts content. I here you and Johnny can party pretty hard (which one of you got kicked out of a college for drinking too much?) and I enjoy these conversations.</p>
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		<title>By: AYO FOR YAYO</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98755</link>
		<dc:creator>AYO FOR YAYO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 04:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98755</guid>
		<description>First Ademdemndemnt RIGHTS! This is another line that I wish I could snort, rather than cross. YAHOOO!!!! I dropped my stash in a bottle of water and drank it up, what a first amendment rizzzight. YAHOOOOOOO!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First Ademdemndemnt RIGHTS! This is another line that I wish I could snort, rather than cross. YAHOOO!!!! I dropped my stash in a bottle of water and drank it up, what a first amendment rizzzight. YAHOOOOOOO!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Dotters-Katz</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98754</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Dotters-Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 04:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98754</guid>
		<description>I find it interesting that Zach Basaraba claims how upset he is that people's right's are being violated.

"My complaint is, however, that in this day and age our constitutional rights are being blatainly violated."
 
Yet when my First Amendment Rights were violated during this election and I was not allowed to my freedom of political expression, he was the first to file a grievance in support of the unconstitutional rule. So you are one of two things:

1. A stooge who never wrote those grievances and was simply used.
2. A hypocrite who has no real beliefs or morals.

Which is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that Zach Basaraba claims how upset he is that people&#8217;s right&#8217;s are being violated.</p>
<p>&#8220;My complaint is, however, that in this day and age our constitutional rights are being blatainly violated.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yet when my First Amendment Rights were violated during this election and I was not allowed to my freedom of political expression, he was the first to file a grievance in support of the unconstitutional rule. So you are one of two things:</p>
<p>1. A stooge who never wrote those grievances and was simply used.<br />
2. A hypocrite who has no real beliefs or morals.</p>
<p>Which is it?</p>
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		<title>By: Zach Basaraba</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98751</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach Basaraba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 03:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98751</guid>
		<description>No actually as Vincent clearly pointed out Sean, it's "Lama.' We both now should feel very embarassed.

My mama? no she's not a llama or a lama. But she's votin Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No actually as Vincent clearly pointed out Sean, it&#8217;s &#8220;Lama.&#8217; We both now should feel very embarassed.</p>
<p>My mama? no she&#8217;s not a llama or a lama. But she&#8217;s votin Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98750</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 03:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98750</guid>
		<description>Actually, it was my bad on misspelling Llama.

Is your mama a Llama?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it was my bad on misspelling Llama.</p>
<p>Is your mama a Llama?</p>
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		<title>By: Zach Basaraba</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98749</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach Basaraba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 03:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98749</guid>
		<description>Oh hold on just a second there. I just spelled "truly" as "truely." Oh butterfingers... You know what, I just discovered the error in my ways.

I apologize everyone, this day on I'm voting for the KKK...oops I mean republican...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh hold on just a second there. I just spelled &#8220;truly&#8221; as &#8220;truely.&#8221; Oh butterfingers&#8230; You know what, I just discovered the error in my ways.</p>
<p>I apologize everyone, this day on I&#8217;m voting for the KKK&#8230;oops I mean republican&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Zach Basaraba</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98748</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach Basaraba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 03:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98748</guid>
		<description>You're absolutely right Vincent. The word for "llama" should actually be "lama." You absolutely decimated any basis for my opinion. That one "L" proves how ignorant I truely am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right Vincent. The word for &#8220;llama&#8221; should actually be &#8220;lama.&#8221; You absolutely decimated any basis for my opinion. That one &#8220;L&#8221; proves how ignorant I truely am.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98740</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98740</guid>
		<description>I might also suggest that it's not Tibetian "llamas" that are being persecuted, but lamas. Not only are llamas not indigenous to the Himalayas, but I'm not aware of any standing grudge against them on the part of the People's Liberation Army. 

Indeed, as I understand it, a "llama" is a species related to the camel that lives in South America. A "lama", however, is monk in the Tibetian Buddhist tradition, and not in any way to be confused with a furry pack animal.

Then again, a devout Buddhist who has lived in Tibet might know better than myself of such issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might also suggest that it&#8217;s not Tibetian &#8220;llamas&#8221; that are being persecuted, but lamas. Not only are llamas not indigenous to the Himalayas, but I&#8217;m not aware of any standing grudge against them on the part of the People&#8217;s Liberation Army. </p>
<p>Indeed, as I understand it, a &#8220;llama&#8221; is a species related to the camel that lives in South America. A &#8220;lama&#8221;, however, is monk in the Tibetian Buddhist tradition, and not in any way to be confused with a furry pack animal.</p>
<p>Then again, a devout Buddhist who has lived in Tibet might know better than myself of such issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Oregon Commentator &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Anti-Imperialists Take on China</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98735</link>
		<dc:creator>Oregon Commentator &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Anti-Imperialists Take on China</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98735</guid>
		<description>[...] Sean Jin&#8217;s post about Zach Besaraba&#8217;s characterization of the furor over Tibet amounting to little more than [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Sean Jin&#8217;s post about Zach Besaraba&#8217;s characterization of the furor over Tibet amounting to little more than [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98723</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98723</guid>
		<description>Basaraba's third paragraph basically sounds like a re-statement of Galloway's position, sans the bit about "obscurantism."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basaraba&#8217;s third paragraph basically sounds like a re-statement of Galloway&#8217;s position, sans the bit about &#8220;obscurantism.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Niedermeyer</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98721</link>
		<dc:creator>Niedermeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98721</guid>
		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/01/sudsy-spotted-celebrating-national-day-in-communist-china/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Who's pro-China now?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/01/sudsy-spotted-celebrating-national-day-in-communist-china/" rel="nofollow">Who&#8217;s pro-China now?</a></p>
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		<title>By: Zach Basaraba</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98717</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach Basaraba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98717</guid>
		<description>Mr Sean Jin, 

You never cease to amaze. I appreciate the spotlight, truly, but it is really unnecessary. I am not sure what the MCC's image has to do with this, considering it was posted on my own accord.

But anyways, if you must know, no I am not pro-China and unlike your statements I am personally very Pro-Tibetan independence; not just as a devout Vipassana Buddhist but also as someone who has actually lived in Tibet. 

Why did I write this note you might ask? Well unlike you I actually have quite a strong background in Tibetan history, and if you were to know anything about Tibet, you would in fact know it was ruled as a Feudalist Monarchy until the Chinese took over (considering the Dalai Lama was a mere child and his stewards had control of the country). I was simply illustrating the irony that under the Dalai Lama's regime people were being pulled on the streets and executed just like they are today...I kind of took this as a point to contemplate within myself and thought others might too.

And also Mr Jin, I am not anti-American. Not only has every male in my family served in the military, but I also think it is the greatest country in the world. My complaint is, however, that in this day and age our constitutional rights are being blatainly violated (See the Patriot's Act and the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act and the Military Commisions Act for details). I find irony that those in power are rich (like George Bush) yet those who go to fight and die for our country are poor. 

I also hope for atleast my sake Sean, that you don't continue to say I'm anti-American, considering I am middle-eastern american and ever since our invasion of Afghanistan we've been illegally roping up and detaining middle-easterners in our own country.

cordially,

zach basaraba</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Sean Jin, </p>
<p>You never cease to amaze. I appreciate the spotlight, truly, but it is really unnecessary. I am not sure what the MCC&#8217;s image has to do with this, considering it was posted on my own accord.</p>
<p>But anyways, if you must know, no I am not pro-China and unlike your statements I am personally very Pro-Tibetan independence; not just as a devout Vipassana Buddhist but also as someone who has actually lived in Tibet. </p>
<p>Why did I write this note you might ask? Well unlike you I actually have quite a strong background in Tibetan history, and if you were to know anything about Tibet, you would in fact know it was ruled as a Feudalist Monarchy until the Chinese took over (considering the Dalai Lama was a mere child and his stewards had control of the country). I was simply illustrating the irony that under the Dalai Lama&#8217;s regime people were being pulled on the streets and executed just like they are today&#8230;I kind of took this as a point to contemplate within myself and thought others might too.</p>
<p>And also Mr Jin, I am not anti-American. Not only has every male in my family served in the military, but I also think it is the greatest country in the world. My complaint is, however, that in this day and age our constitutional rights are being blatainly violated (See the Patriot&#8217;s Act and the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act and the Military Commisions Act for details). I find irony that those in power are rich (like George Bush) yet those who go to fight and die for our country are poor. </p>
<p>I also hope for atleast my sake Sean, that you don&#8217;t continue to say I&#8217;m anti-American, considering I am middle-eastern american and ever since our invasion of Afghanistan we&#8217;ve been illegally roping up and detaining middle-easterners in our own country.</p>
<p>cordially,</p>
<p>zach basaraba</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98673</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98673</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;So…basically anti-imperialist people have no respect for history&lt;/i&gt;

Mostly that "anti-imperialism" is code for "anti-Americanism" and "anti-Semitism".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So…basically anti-imperialist people have no respect for history</i></p>
<p>Mostly that &#8220;anti-imperialism&#8221; is code for &#8220;anti-Americanism&#8221; and &#8220;anti-Semitism&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: H</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98667</link>
		<dc:creator>H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 04:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98667</guid>
		<description>Wait ... so he's accusing the Dalai Lama of being a puppet of US imperialism? The fucking Dalai Lama? 

I don't .... I can't ... head exploding from stupidity of argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait &#8230; so he&#8217;s accusing the Dalai Lama of being a puppet of US imperialism? The fucking Dalai Lama? </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t &#8230;. I can&#8217;t &#8230; head exploding from stupidity of argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Jin</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98665</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Jin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98665</guid>
		<description>So...basically anti-imperialist people have no respect for history (the fact that neither Tibet or Taiwan were historically part of China) or respect for the fact that China has long demonstrated imperial desires more than the United States.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230;basically anti-imperialist people have no respect for history (the fact that neither Tibet or Taiwan were historically part of China) or respect for the fact that China has long demonstrated imperial desires more than the United States.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98664</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98664</guid>
		<description>To put it another way, if China launched an invasion of Taiwan tomorrow in order to "re-incorporate" the island back into its territory, the "anti-imperialist" crowd wouldn't so much as peep unless the U.S. Navy intervened to preserve Taiwan's independence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To put it another way, if China launched an invasion of Taiwan tomorrow in order to &#8220;re-incorporate&#8221; the island back into its territory, the &#8220;anti-imperialist&#8221; crowd wouldn&#8217;t so much as peep unless the U.S. Navy intervened to preserve Taiwan&#8217;s independence.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98663</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/14/fascinating-logic/#comment-98663</guid>
		<description>I was just musing last night whether or not the impending Olympic trials would elicit half the number of people who regularly march around Eugene decrying American and Israeli imperialism. 

I decided that since the Chinese were neither American nor Jewish that the protests would be minor at best. It seems that my instincts were right.

Good catch, Sean. It'd be interesting to get the MCC's official stance on Tibet. I predict it'd be a "condemnations of imperialism &lt;i&gt;everywhere&lt;/i&gt;, not only in Tibet, but in Palestine and Iraq as well." Of course, they could just go all out and declare, as the &lt;a href="http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/comment/columnists/lifestyle-columnists/george-galloway/2008/02/18/china-s-olympics-will-light-the-world-86908-20323121/" rel="nofollow"&gt;illustrious George Galloway&lt;/a&gt; did, that "Tibet was always part of the Chinese motherland, and has been rescued from the mists of obscurantism under the demi- God Dalai Lama by the Chinese revolution". 

It seems that &lt;a&gt;lining up behind China&lt;/a&gt; on the Tibet question is pretty standard "anti-imperialist" strategy these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just musing last night whether or not the impending Olympic trials would elicit half the number of people who regularly march around Eugene decrying American and Israeli imperialism. </p>
<p>I decided that since the Chinese were neither American nor Jewish that the protests would be minor at best. It seems that my instincts were right.</p>
<p>Good catch, Sean. It&#8217;d be interesting to get the MCC&#8217;s official stance on Tibet. I predict it&#8217;d be a &#8220;condemnations of imperialism <i>everywhere</i>, not only in Tibet, but in Palestine and Iraq as well.&#8221; Of course, they could just go all out and declare, as the <a href="http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/comment/columnists/lifestyle-columnists/george-galloway/2008/02/18/china-s-olympics-will-light-the-world-86908-20323121/" rel="nofollow">illustrious George Galloway</a> did, that &#8220;Tibet was always part of the Chinese motherland, and has been rescued from the mists of obscurantism under the demi- God Dalai Lama by the Chinese revolution&#8221;. </p>
<p>It seems that <a>lining up behind China</a> on the Tibet question is pretty standard &#8220;anti-imperialist&#8221; strategy these days.</p>
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