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	<title>Comments on: Tossers.</title>
	<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/</link>
	<description>Free Minds, Free Markets, Free Booze</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98675</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98675</guid>
		<description>I think winning the ASUO Election is about like being the fastest midet in the circus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think winning the ASUO Election is about like being the fastest midet in the circus.</p>
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		<title>By: Sakaki</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98672</link>
		<dc:creator>Sakaki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98672</guid>
		<description>If someone wants to win bad enough, they will do all they can to make certain that a win happens. And frankly, in my opinion, it was damn worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If someone wants to win bad enough, they will do all they can to make certain that a win happens. And frankly, in my opinion, it was damn worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98666</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98666</guid>
		<description>I get a feeling they took a "L" on 25 cent slices of pizza. Next years campaign should probably go with 25 cent top ramen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get a feeling they took a &#8220;L&#8221; on 25 cent slices of pizza. Next years campaign should probably go with 25 cent top ramen.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98654</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98654</guid>
		<description>$14,000? Shit, that's like two years worth of tuition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$14,000? Shit, that&#8217;s like two years worth of tuition.</p>
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		<title>By: Slade</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98652</link>
		<dc:creator>Slade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98652</guid>
		<description>I saw Nate's comment before I read the article, and dismissed as fairly standard post-election angst.  And hey, I've been there, too.

But I read the updated article this morning, and my eyes just about came out of my head.

Almost fourteen THOUSAND dollars on an ASUO presidential election?  There are state legislative campaigns that don't spend that much money.  I don't even know what I'd have done with that kind of money.  And some of it coming from businesses (what the fuck?)

I mean, look.  I helped run campaigns, I placed a ton of advertising in Eugene publications for various reasons.  And unless the OAT folks were buying TV time, I can't figure out how you'd burn through that much cash.  Or for that matter, where you'd get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw Nate&#8217;s comment before I read the article, and dismissed as fairly standard post-election angst.  And hey, I&#8217;ve been there, too.</p>
<p>But I read the updated article this morning, and my eyes just about came out of my head.</p>
<p>Almost fourteen THOUSAND dollars on an ASUO presidential election?  There are state legislative campaigns that don&#8217;t spend that much money.  I don&#8217;t even know what I&#8217;d have done with that kind of money.  And some of it coming from businesses (what the fuck?)</p>
<p>I mean, look.  I helped run campaigns, I placed a ton of advertising in Eugene publications for various reasons.  And unless the OAT folks were buying TV time, I can&#8217;t figure out how you&#8217;d burn through that much cash.  Or for that matter, where you&#8217;d get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Niedermeyer</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98640</link>
		<dc:creator>Niedermeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98640</guid>
		<description>Jared: First of all, I was not speaking to the ODE on behalf of the OAT campaign. Hell, I was pretty shocked to see myself quoted in their story at all. 

As to the substance of my claim, it would be abundantly obvious to everyone had the ODE actually covered the grievance process at all this year. I understand their decision not to: campaign grievances are typically petty, irrelevant and uninteresting. But this year (probably because the ODE was not covering them) grievances were unevenly heard, ruled on and enforced. A few examples of this are available on this blog, but there are more that the OC didn't even cover. 

None of this should come as any surprise. Kendall Tylee was McLain/PAC8's most dedicated campaigner last year, and was Kari/RTY's most partisan advocate this year... despite being the supposedly neutral elections coordinator. The Constitutional Court was likewise subject to partisan influence by people both on and off the bench... both bodies published opinions written by partisan advocates and passed off as their own work.

Do I have (in hand) smoking gun evidence for this? Of course not. With OAT's victory and a new generation of independent leadership set to take over the ASUO, there's no need to go through the legal processes by which these assertions could be proven. Moreover, Sam and Johnny have told me that their experiences this year have made them understand the importance of reforming the elections process so as to avoid the kinds of partisan influences they have struggled against.

Ultimately, this win by total outsiders proves that the ASUO can be redeemed from the shadiness and soft corruption that have ruled it for so long. When Gulley said "it's easy to buy an election," he was speaking from experience. His brand of politics involves buying elections through runaway spending on favored programs in return for votes in the spring. Sam and Johnny did not "buy" this election any more than McLain, Axelrod, et al bought their elections. The difference between OAT and the party of business as usual at the ASUO is that OAT did not buy the election using student money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jared: First of all, I was not speaking to the ODE on behalf of the OAT campaign. Hell, I was pretty shocked to see myself quoted in their story at all. </p>
<p>As to the substance of my claim, it would be abundantly obvious to everyone had the ODE actually covered the grievance process at all this year. I understand their decision not to: campaign grievances are typically petty, irrelevant and uninteresting. But this year (probably because the ODE was not covering them) grievances were unevenly heard, ruled on and enforced. A few examples of this are available on this blog, but there are more that the OC didn&#8217;t even cover. </p>
<p>None of this should come as any surprise. Kendall Tylee was McLain/PAC8&#8217;s most dedicated campaigner last year, and was Kari/RTY&#8217;s most partisan advocate this year&#8230; despite being the supposedly neutral elections coordinator. The Constitutional Court was likewise subject to partisan influence by people both on and off the bench&#8230; both bodies published opinions written by partisan advocates and passed off as their own work.</p>
<p>Do I have (in hand) smoking gun evidence for this? Of course not. With OAT&#8217;s victory and a new generation of independent leadership set to take over the ASUO, there&#8217;s no need to go through the legal processes by which these assertions could be proven. Moreover, Sam and Johnny have told me that their experiences this year have made them understand the importance of reforming the elections process so as to avoid the kinds of partisan influences they have struggled against.</p>
<p>Ultimately, this win by total outsiders proves that the ASUO can be redeemed from the shadiness and soft corruption that have ruled it for so long. When Gulley said &#8220;it&#8217;s easy to buy an election,&#8221; he was speaking from experience. His brand of politics involves buying elections through runaway spending on favored programs in return for votes in the spring. Sam and Johnny did not &#8220;buy&#8221; this election any more than McLain, Axelrod, et al bought their elections. The difference between OAT and the party of business as usual at the ASUO is that OAT did not buy the election using student money.</p>
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		<title>By: daniels</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98638</link>
		<dc:creator>daniels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98638</guid>
		<description>the people have spoken</description>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98634</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98634</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;It really is comments like Diego’s that force a wedge between people of different racial, ethic backgrounds.&lt;/i&gt;

But that's the whole point. Amassing wealth and power by fomenting racial discontent is a booming industry in this country, and those who stand to lose the most from the great 'national conversation' about race aren't bigoted white people -- they lost long ago -- but rather those whose income and influence is derived from keeping the grievance theatre going.

&lt;i&gt;Further, I swear there is a word list called “adjectives of the oppressor” that Diego and his ilk draw heavily from.&lt;/i&gt;

I made an attempt at explaining this phenomenon &lt;a href="http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/08/the-circus-begins/#comment-98541" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, in case you're interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It really is comments like Diego’s that force a wedge between people of different racial, ethic backgrounds.</i></p>
<p>But that&#8217;s the whole point. Amassing wealth and power by fomenting racial discontent is a booming industry in this country, and those who stand to lose the most from the great &#8216;national conversation&#8217; about race aren&#8217;t bigoted white people &#8212; they lost long ago &#8212; but rather those whose income and influence is derived from keeping the grievance theatre going.</p>
<p><i>Further, I swear there is a word list called “adjectives of the oppressor” that Diego and his ilk draw heavily from.</i></p>
<p>I made an attempt at explaining this phenomenon <a href="http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/08/the-circus-begins/#comment-98541" rel="nofollow">here</a>, in case you&#8217;re interested.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98633</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 03:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98633</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;I think it’s pretty awesome that Hernandez considers us both neoliberal and neoconservative.&lt;/i&gt;

CJ: I thought that was a golden juxtaposition myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think it’s pretty awesome that Hernandez considers us both neoliberal and neoconservative.</i></p>
<p>CJ: I thought that was a golden juxtaposition myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Jin</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98632</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Jin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 03:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98632</guid>
		<description>When you're facing a loaded gun...what's the difference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you&#8217;re facing a loaded gun&#8230;what&#8217;s the difference?</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98631</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 03:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98631</guid>
		<description>Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good, bad, I&#8217;m the guy with the gun.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98630</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 03:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98630</guid>
		<description>Oh don't act like the oblivious insider-turned-outsider now Jared.  And Ted, don't succumb to his "let's play stupid" attempts to bait for information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh don&#8217;t act like the oblivious insider-turned-outsider now Jared.  And Ted, don&#8217;t succumb to his &#8220;let&#8217;s play stupid&#8221; attempts to bait for information.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98629</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 03:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98629</guid>
		<description>While I can't comment on Nate's comments and claims, while we're on the subject of the ODE article, I had a question about another quote in there.
Ted- I was wondering if you could elaborate on your quote of, "'(Rock the Yellow) rigged the elections board,' he said."  I was just hoping you could provide some evidence of this as well.  I've known you for a while now, and I know you're not the type of person that would throw around accusations without having something to back it up with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I can&#8217;t comment on Nate&#8217;s comments and claims, while we&#8217;re on the subject of the ODE article, I had a question about another quote in there.<br />
Ted- I was wondering if you could elaborate on your quote of, &#8220;&#8216;(Rock the Yellow) rigged the elections board,&#8217; he said.&#8221;  I was just hoping you could provide some evidence of this as well.  I&#8217;ve known you for a while now, and I know you&#8217;re not the type of person that would throw around accusations without having something to back it up with.</p>
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		<title>By: Whatadumbass</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98628</link>
		<dc:creator>Whatadumbass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 01:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98628</guid>
		<description>”It’s easy to buy an election,” Sen. Nate Gulley, a Rock the Yellow supporter said after hearing the results.

So, what's he saying? That UO students are avaricious, that they sell their votes? That UO students don't care and only want money for their votes?

Damn. Where do I sign up to run for office? I'm expecting my economic stimulus check this spring and since it's found money I want to buy my way to the top.

Help me Nate, help me help you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>”It’s easy to buy an election,” Sen. Nate Gulley, a Rock the Yellow supporter said after hearing the results.</p>
<p>So, what&#8217;s he saying? That UO students are avaricious, that they sell their votes? That UO students don&#8217;t care and only want money for their votes?</p>
<p>Damn. Where do I sign up to run for office? I&#8217;m expecting my economic stimulus check this spring and since it&#8217;s found money I want to buy my way to the top.</p>
<p>Help me Nate, help me help you.</p>
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		<title>By: Proofreader</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98627</link>
		<dc:creator>Proofreader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 01:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98627</guid>
		<description>It really is comments like Diego's that force a wedge between people of different racial, ethic backgrounds.  Further, I swear there is a word list called "adjectives of the oppressor" that Diego and his ilk draw heavily from.  They include such gems as hetronormative (whatever the hell that means), patriarchal, sexist, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really is comments like Diego&#8217;s that force a wedge between people of different racial, ethic backgrounds.  Further, I swear there is a word list called &#8220;adjectives of the oppressor&#8221; that Diego and his ilk draw heavily from.  They include such gems as hetronormative (whatever the hell that means), patriarchal, sexist, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ Ciaramella</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98626</link>
		<dc:creator>CJ Ciaramella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 01:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/04/13/tossers/#comment-98626</guid>
		<description>I think it's pretty awesome that Hernandez considers us both neoliberal and neoconservative. I've always thought of myself as more of a neo-moderate, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s pretty awesome that Hernandez considers us both neoliberal and neoconservative. I&#8217;ve always thought of myself as more of a neo-moderate, though.</p>
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