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	<title>Comments on: Pacifica Forum addresses MLK lecture, promises another</title>
	<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/03/10/pacifica-forum-addresses-mlk-lecture-promises-another/</link>
	<description>Free Minds, Free Markets, Free Booze</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dc</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/03/10/pacifica-forum-addresses-mlk-lecture-promises-another/#comment-98305</link>
		<dc:creator>dc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/03/10/pacifica-forum-addresses-mlk-lecture-promises-another/#comment-98305</guid>
		<description>huh. snipped this somehow/ this is what I started the post with.


I tried to say that you have perpetuated the smears/ distortions, by accepting/posting MW's "stove-piped" (aka injected, or 'force'-fed) sphew.

Also, CJ, I do not believe it appears you are "echo-ing" his rant,  I used "echo-ed" which was to point out, that by reproducing his propaganda, you are actively "ECHO-CHAMBER-ING"...  Sorry for the confusion/shorthand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huh. snipped this somehow/ this is what I started the post with.</p>
<p>I tried to say that you have perpetuated the smears/ distortions, by accepting/posting MW&#8217;s &#8220;stove-piped&#8221; (aka injected, or &#8216;force&#8217;-fed) sphew.</p>
<p>Also, CJ, I do not believe it appears you are &#8220;echo-ing&#8221; his rant,  I used &#8220;echo-ed&#8221; which was to point out, that by reproducing his propaganda, you are actively &#8220;ECHO-CHAMBER-ING&#8221;&#8230;  Sorry for the confusion/shorthand.</p>
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		<title>By: dc</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/03/10/pacifica-forum-addresses-mlk-lecture-promises-another/#comment-98304</link>
		<dc:creator>dc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/03/10/pacifica-forum-addresses-mlk-lecture-promises-another/#comment-98304</guid>
		<description>&#62;&#62;I don’t see how quoting people in a public forum constitutes an attack or a smear campaign.&#60;&#62;I thought I gave you guys a pretty fair shake of the stick, at least compared to what’s usually written in the media about the forum.&#60;&#60; 

Read again what has been written.  The journalists have been fair, as a rule. The "quotes" injected (stove piped) from v. members of the local lobby are what creates the impression/bias you carry.  Read again what has been written, then check your answering machine.  My guess is you be receiving contact from the next level of players.. : )  Have fun, CJ.  Be Judicious.  

Am fairly sure your not including MWilliams or mailbag letter writers as "the media", that'd be a whole separate prong of their campaign.


Have to run~ 
I think you never attended any of Valdas' lectures on Zionism and Russia. 
If you had, you'd never have chosen your adjective kooky.  We've not had kooks present at PF, that is your bias, CJ, check your precepts, check your sources, best to avoid working for this crew, however indirectly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;I don’t see how quoting people in a public forum constitutes an attack or a smear campaign.&lt;&gt;I thought I gave you guys a pretty fair shake of the stick, at least compared to what’s usually written in the media about the forum.&lt;&lt; </p>
<p>Read again what has been written.  The journalists have been fair, as a rule. The &#8220;quotes&#8221; injected (stove piped) from v. members of the local lobby are what creates the impression/bias you carry.  Read again what has been written, then check your answering machine.  My guess is you be receiving contact from the next level of players.. : )  Have fun, CJ.  Be Judicious.  </p>
<p>Am fairly sure your not including MWilliams or mailbag letter writers as &#8220;the media&#8221;, that&#8217;d be a whole separate prong of their campaign.</p>
<p>Have to run~<br />
I think you never attended any of Valdas&#8217; lectures on Zionism and Russia.<br />
If you had, you&#8217;d never have chosen your adjective kooky.  We&#8217;ve not had kooks present at PF, that is your bias, CJ, check your precepts, check your sources, best to avoid working for this crew, however indirectly.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ Ciaramella</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/03/10/pacifica-forum-addresses-mlk-lecture-promises-another/#comment-98279</link>
		<dc:creator>CJ Ciaramella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/03/10/pacifica-forum-addresses-mlk-lecture-promises-another/#comment-98279</guid>
		<description>Sorry I didn't return your call DC. It's been a little busy with finals week and all.

And yes, I realize I never formally posed that question to the group, and, frankly, didn't intend to. But the Eugene Weekly kind of took it and ran with it, and I was led to believe by several emails that it would be discussed at some point in the forum.

Also, I don't think I was echoing William's "stove pipe progaganda." I simply quoted his letter; we do that sometimes in journalism. It doesn't mean we're endorsing anything (an argument you should be familiar with). And for the record, I also covered Etter's and the group's response to the letter.

I thought I gave you guys a pretty fair shake of the stick, at least compared to what's usually written in the media about the forum. I don't see how quoting people in a public forum constitutes an attack or a smear campaign. My portrayal of the meeting was nothing but accurate and factual.

Of course, some of my thoughts about what goes on in the forum are indeed biased, but this a blog; I am allowed to express opinion.

P.S. Kooky speakers: Mark Weber, Valdas Anelauskas, Jimmy Marr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I didn&#8217;t return your call DC. It&#8217;s been a little busy with finals week and all.</p>
<p>And yes, I realize I never formally posed that question to the group, and, frankly, didn&#8217;t intend to. But the Eugene Weekly kind of took it and ran with it, and I was led to believe by several emails that it would be discussed at some point in the forum.</p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t think I was echoing William&#8217;s &#8220;stove pipe progaganda.&#8221; I simply quoted his letter; we do that sometimes in journalism. It doesn&#8217;t mean we&#8217;re endorsing anything (an argument you should be familiar with). And for the record, I also covered Etter&#8217;s and the group&#8217;s response to the letter.</p>
<p>I thought I gave you guys a pretty fair shake of the stick, at least compared to what&#8217;s usually written in the media about the forum. I don&#8217;t see how quoting people in a public forum constitutes an attack or a smear campaign. My portrayal of the meeting was nothing but accurate and factual.</p>
<p>Of course, some of my thoughts about what goes on in the forum are indeed biased, but this a blog; I am allowed to express opinion.</p>
<p>P.S. Kooky speakers: Mark Weber, Valdas Anelauskas, Jimmy Marr.</p>
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		<title>By: dc</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/03/10/pacifica-forum-addresses-mlk-lecture-promises-another/#comment-98269</link>
		<dc:creator>dc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/03/10/pacifica-forum-addresses-mlk-lecture-promises-another/#comment-98269</guid>
		<description>Hey All ~
Q. (sort of) "Unfortunately, the forum never got around to answering my question as to why it had allowed itself to be overrun by complete assholes, but there was plenty of other fodder for discussion."  

A. Uh, cuz you never asked it of us. 

Also, posting the Hate-Force's top slander-meister's LETTER here, was not the wisest thing you've ever done. If you'd attended the previous week, you'd know he offered it as his 'opinion' to the PF attendees/ claimed he'd printed it for the group, only.  There is much in his rant to rebut, won't waste my time.  You were at the MLK Forum, did YOU hear any "hatred aimed at African-Americans" ?  This is simply more of his sensationalist crap.
He needs you guys to start ballyhooin' for him...

You've now echoed his (stove-piped) propaganda, was that your intention? 

CJ, you've been to what, 3 maybe 4 forums now?  We meet weekly (approx. 50 x a year).  I suggest you try attending with a mite less bias, if you come again.  Please.

Prof. Pope, I don't believe you've attended a single Pacifica Forum ~ on what do you base your comment?  Are you relying on real research, or Sear's research?  Have you, too, fallen victim to the AHTF's scare (and rally) campaign?  Is one rambling email, from a PF newcomer, basis enough to label (libel) us in this way?  [And where EXACTLY, do you find "good work" in this blog post?]

In my EXPERIENCE at PF, the group tries in earnest, to discuss some of the toughest topics of our time.  The atmosphere of attack has become near endemic/comical, and it has not been hard to see evidence of orchestration. 

Unfortunately for those who accept and carry the torch of the smear-Pacifica campaign, those before them, were very sloppy.  and very documented.

(Hey Teddy, say hi to your mom and dad for me.  I remember the day you guys moved here!)

PSes "kooky speakers" ?  Reference, please, C.J.  Think. 

Jobetta: Was that the student commentary that blasted Matt Chandler's (cpt.org) first hand experiences in Hebron? denied there are Israeli-only roads/ checkpoints? Would you consider linking your article/ I can't remember any of us speaking in unison ..("they said his ...") 

good luck/ best all~ still OK to return my phone call, CJ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey All ~<br />
Q. (sort of) &#8220;Unfortunately, the forum never got around to answering my question as to why it had allowed itself to be overrun by complete assholes, but there was plenty of other fodder for discussion.&#8221;  </p>
<p>A. Uh, cuz you never asked it of us. </p>
<p>Also, posting the Hate-Force&#8217;s top slander-meister&#8217;s LETTER here, was not the wisest thing you&#8217;ve ever done. If you&#8217;d attended the previous week, you&#8217;d know he offered it as his &#8216;opinion&#8217; to the PF attendees/ claimed he&#8217;d printed it for the group, only.  There is much in his rant to rebut, won&#8217;t waste my time.  You were at the MLK Forum, did YOU hear any &#8220;hatred aimed at African-Americans&#8221; ?  This is simply more of his sensationalist crap.<br />
He needs you guys to start ballyhooin&#8217; for him&#8230;</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve now echoed his (stove-piped) propaganda, was that your intention? </p>
<p>CJ, you&#8217;ve been to what, 3 maybe 4 forums now?  We meet weekly (approx. 50 x a year).  I suggest you try attending with a mite less bias, if you come again.  Please.</p>
<p>Prof. Pope, I don&#8217;t believe you&#8217;ve attended a single Pacifica Forum ~ on what do you base your comment?  Are you relying on real research, or Sear&#8217;s research?  Have you, too, fallen victim to the AHTF&#8217;s scare (and rally) campaign?  Is one rambling email, from a PF newcomer, basis enough to label (libel) us in this way?  [And where EXACTLY, do you find &#8220;good work&#8221; in this blog post?]</p>
<p>In my EXPERIENCE at PF, the group tries in earnest, to discuss some of the toughest topics of our time.  The atmosphere of attack has become near endemic/comical, and it has not been hard to see evidence of orchestration. </p>
<p>Unfortunately for those who accept and carry the torch of the smear-Pacifica campaign, those before them, were very sloppy.  and very documented.</p>
<p>(Hey Teddy, say hi to your mom and dad for me.  I remember the day you guys moved here!)</p>
<p>PSes &#8220;kooky speakers&#8221; ?  Reference, please, C.J.  Think. </p>
<p>Jobetta: Was that the student commentary that blasted Matt Chandler&#8217;s (cpt.org) first hand experiences in Hebron? denied there are Israeli-only roads/ checkpoints? Would you consider linking your article/ I can&#8217;t remember any of us speaking in unison ..(&#8221;they said his &#8230;&#8221;) </p>
<p>good luck/ best all~ still OK to return my phone call, CJ.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Pope</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/03/10/pacifica-forum-addresses-mlk-lecture-promises-another/#comment-98075</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Pope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't remember agreeing with anything previously in the Commentator, but I have to applaud CJ Ciaramella for his coverage and commentary on the sick stuff that's going on at the Pacifica Forum. Good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t remember agreeing with anything previously in the Commentator, but I have to applaud CJ Ciaramella for his coverage and commentary on the sick stuff that&#8217;s going on at the Pacifica Forum. Good work!</p>
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		<title>By: Drew2</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/03/10/pacifica-forum-addresses-mlk-lecture-promises-another/#comment-97998</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/03/10/pacifica-forum-addresses-mlk-lecture-promises-another/#comment-97998</guid>
		<description>So really this is just the Eugene chapter of Paranoid Conspiracy Theorists?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So really this is just the Eugene chapter of Paranoid Conspiracy Theorists?</p>
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		<title>By: Whitney</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/03/10/pacifica-forum-addresses-mlk-lecture-promises-another/#comment-97976</link>
		<dc:creator>Whitney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/03/10/pacifica-forum-addresses-mlk-lecture-promises-another/#comment-97976</guid>
		<description>I especially liked the comparison between Hitler and MLK Jr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I especially liked the comparison between Hitler and MLK Jr.</p>
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		<title>By: Ossie</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/03/10/pacifica-forum-addresses-mlk-lecture-promises-another/#comment-97951</link>
		<dc:creator>Ossie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CJ, you need a new hobby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CJ, you need a new hobby.</p>
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		<title>By: Sakaki</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/03/10/pacifica-forum-addresses-mlk-lecture-promises-another/#comment-97941</link>
		<dc:creator>Sakaki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He's got the hang of it! Excellent!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s got the hang of it! Excellent!</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent.</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/03/10/pacifica-forum-addresses-mlk-lecture-promises-another/#comment-97937</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/03/10/pacifica-forum-addresses-mlk-lecture-promises-another/#comment-97937</guid>
		<description>Drink!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drink!</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent.</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/03/10/pacifica-forum-addresses-mlk-lecture-promises-another/#comment-97936</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/03/10/pacifica-forum-addresses-mlk-lecture-promises-another/#comment-97936</guid>
		<description>Racist!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Racist!</p>
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		<title>By: Olly</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/03/10/pacifica-forum-addresses-mlk-lecture-promises-another/#comment-97933</link>
		<dc:creator>Olly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 02:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/03/10/pacifica-forum-addresses-mlk-lecture-promises-another/#comment-97933</guid>
		<description>Etter: "Consider that Martin Luther King can not only be assassinated by a high-power rifle but also by careless thought."

On balance, though, one has to concede that the rifle did the bulk of the damage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Etter: &#8220;Consider that Martin Luther King can not only be assassinated by a high-power rifle but also by careless thought.&#8221;</p>
<p>On balance, though, one has to concede that the rifle did the bulk of the damage.</p>
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		<title>By: Jobetta</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/03/10/pacifica-forum-addresses-mlk-lecture-promises-another/#comment-97932</link>
		<dc:creator>Jobetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 02:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/03/10/pacifica-forum-addresses-mlk-lecture-promises-another/#comment-97932</guid>
		<description>In 2006, one of my first assignments at the Emerald was to cover a PF meeting. They met to discuss a guest commentary that a University of Oregon student had written accusing them of anti-antisemitism. Among other things, they said his commentary was too well-written and too well-reasoned to have been written by a college student.  The other topics of discussion were not relevant to the story, but would have been similar to what other journalists have reported about the PF. I am 100 percent sure that if media reports of the PF give a specific impression, it's because of what the members say and the way those comments are received. I would think that if the members believe they're being unfairly represented they would take a serious look at how they things they say affect people's impressions of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 2006, one of my first assignments at the Emerald was to cover a PF meeting. They met to discuss a guest commentary that a University of Oregon student had written accusing them of anti-antisemitism. Among other things, they said his commentary was too well-written and too well-reasoned to have been written by a college student.  The other topics of discussion were not relevant to the story, but would have been similar to what other journalists have reported about the PF. I am 100 percent sure that if media reports of the PF give a specific impression, it&#8217;s because of what the members say and the way those comments are received. I would think that if the members believe they&#8217;re being unfairly represented they would take a serious look at how they things they say affect people&#8217;s impressions of them.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ Ciaramella</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/03/10/pacifica-forum-addresses-mlk-lecture-promises-another/#comment-97931</link>
		<dc:creator>CJ Ciaramella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 01:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/03/10/pacifica-forum-addresses-mlk-lecture-promises-another/#comment-97931</guid>
		<description>You know, I probably could have swung that back when P.J.P. II was holding office. He would canonize any masochist with a good case of Catholic guilt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I probably could have swung that back when P.J.P. II was holding office. He would canonize any masochist with a good case of Catholic guilt.</p>
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		<title>By: Niedermeyer</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/03/10/pacifica-forum-addresses-mlk-lecture-promises-another/#comment-97928</link>
		<dc:creator>Niedermeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2008/03/10/pacifica-forum-addresses-mlk-lecture-promises-another/#comment-97928</guid>
		<description>Some church somewhere had better canonize CJ for his long hours of suffering through this shit... although in fairness this sounds a little more entertaining than the ASUO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some church somewhere had better canonize CJ for his long hours of suffering through this shit&#8230; although in fairness this sounds a little more entertaining than the ASUO.</p>
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