Comments on: The ASUO pulls another ASUO http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/ Free Minds, Free Markets, Free Booze Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:20:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Toby http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-96045 Toby Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:43:32 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-96045 Where is Mike Filippelli when we need him to say something insightful here. Where is Mike Filippelli when we need him to say something insightful here.

]]> By: Niedermeyer http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-96013 Niedermeyer Sun, 14 Oct 2007 04:56:04 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-96013 I'm not what the literature refers to as a primary source on this story. Given my own history with the Con Court, wouldn't I have already dropped the scoop if I could? Anyone who's claim to "asuo insider" status has any validity would be a way better place to start than me... I’m not what the literature refers to as a primary source on this story. Given my own history with the Con Court, wouldn’t I have already dropped the scoop if I could? Anyone who’s claim to “asuo insider” status has any validity would be a way better place to start than me…

]]> By: Jake http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-96012 Jake Sun, 14 Oct 2007 00:44:28 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-96012 asuo insider: would you like to tell us where to start looking. I'm sure you know where our office is. we look forward to talking to you. asuo insider: would you like to tell us where to start looking. I’m sure you know where our office is. we look forward to talking to you.

]]> By: Ossie http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-96011 Ossie Sun, 14 Oct 2007 00:37:57 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-96011 Yes, please Ted, enlighten us. Yes, please Ted, enlighten us.

]]> By: asuo insider http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-96010 asuo insider Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:00:12 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-96010 I know there are people out there with stories about Con Court that would make your hair curl. Maybe it’s getting to be time for some of those people to start going on the record… Con Court has no checks on its accountability other than the media, there is no higher body to appeal their worthless rulings to. It’s about time that people really knew how that highly politicized, highly “malleable” body really makes its august decisions… Please do explain more nieder I know there are people out there with stories about Con Court that would make your hair curl. Maybe it’s getting to be time for some of those people to start going on the record… Con Court has no checks on its accountability other than the media, there is no higher body to appeal their worthless rulings to. It’s about time that people really knew how that highly politicized, highly “malleable” body really makes its august decisions…

Please do explain more nieder

]]> By: Niedermeyer http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-96003 Niedermeyer Fri, 12 Oct 2007 23:35:48 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-96003 Search our archives for "Con Court" and you'll find a trail of these kinds of decisions. Y'know, I tend to focus too much on Senate and the Exec, when Con Court is really the branch that keeps the ASUO from getting anywhere. Time after time they make decisions which validate law and rule breaking in the name of convenience, and we wonder why Senators and such keep breaking the rules. I know there are people out there with stories about Con Court that would make your hair curl. Maybe it's getting to be time for some of those people to start going on the record... Con Court has no checks on its accountability other than the media, there is no higher body to appeal their worthless rulings to. It's about time that people really knew how that highly politicized, highly "malleable" body really makes its august decisions... Search our archives for “Con Court” and you’ll find a trail of these kinds of decisions. Y’know, I tend to focus too much on Senate and the Exec, when Con Court is really the branch that keeps the ASUO from getting anywhere. Time after time they make decisions which validate law and rule breaking in the name of convenience, and we wonder why Senators and such keep breaking the rules.

I know there are people out there with stories about Con Court that would make your hair curl. Maybe it’s getting to be time for some of those people to start going on the record… Con Court has no checks on its accountability other than the media, there is no higher body to appeal their worthless rulings to. It’s about time that people really knew how that highly politicized, highly “malleable” body really makes its august decisions…

]]> By: Jan http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-95999 Jan Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:40:15 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-95999 Yeah, that was meant to be sarcastic (damn Internet!) I think even if he didn't think it was all bullshit, which he probably does like Ted says, it's probably bad politics for him to get involved unless there is some serious shit going on. Low-grade corruption and incompetence.. eh, it's par for the course at this point. Yeah, that was meant to be sarcastic (damn Internet!) I think even if he didn’t think it was all bullshit, which he probably does like Ted says, it’s probably bad politics for him to get involved unless there is some serious shit going on. Low-grade corruption and incompetence.. eh, it’s par for the course at this point.

]]> By: Timothy http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-95997 Timothy Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:23:12 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-95997 I think that's probably right, Ted. I think that’s probably right, Ted.

]]> By: Niedermeyer http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-95989 Niedermeyer Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:40:52 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-95989 ...he has witnessed more ASUO bullshit than any of us can even imagine, and stopped caring sometime in the mid-90s? …he has witnessed more ASUO bullshit than any of us can even imagine, and stopped caring sometime in the mid-90s?

]]> By: Jan http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-95988 Jan Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:03:42 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-95988 Since Frohny basically wrote the applicable public meetings law that ASUO violated, it's a little unbelievable that he hasn't weighed in on this. Given, that was 1984, and he was attorney general then. But still... Since Frohny basically wrote the applicable public meetings law that ASUO violated, it’s a little unbelievable that he hasn’t weighed in on this. Given, that was 1984, and he was attorney general then. But still…

]]> By: Timothy http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-95987 Timothy Fri, 12 Oct 2007 05:29:01 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-95987 That would be SPECTACULAR. I say you go for it. ASUO delenda est! That would be SPECTACULAR. I say you go for it. ASUO delenda est!

]]> By: Fortitude http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-95986 Fortitude Fri, 12 Oct 2007 04:38:35 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-95986 Since violations of State Meetings laws do fall under state purveyorship, if Neil Brown had a chance, he could file something with the Attorney General's office. Or we could get Das Frohn to dissolve the Con Court. That'd be fun. Since violations of State Meetings laws do fall under state purveyorship, if Neil Brown had a chance, he could file something with the Attorney General’s office.

Or we could get Das Frohn to dissolve the Con Court. That’d be fun.

]]> By: Blaser http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-95985 Blaser Fri, 12 Oct 2007 03:17:08 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-95985 "…no party has argued that the decisions made during the June 13th, 2007 meeting of the ASUO Student Senate would have been any different had minutes of said meeting been taken..." Oh my God. Did I really just read that right? Do these people know anything about the law? The question should not be if things would have gone differently. The question is, DID THE ASUO BREAK PUBLIC LAW by not taking minutes at their meeting? And the Con Court verdict is ... "...the violations of OPML in this case hampered the right of the public to be informed..." Again, am I missing something here? They say in their own ruling that there was a clear violation of the law, but that because important things happened at that meeting, and at meetings thereafter, they do not want to deal with the fall-out? Man, I need some friends on Con Court right about now ... “…no party has argued that the decisions made during the June 13th, 2007 meeting of the ASUO Student Senate would have been any different had minutes of said meeting been taken…”

Oh my God. Did I really just read that right? Do these people know anything about the law? The question should not be if things would have gone differently. The question is, DID THE ASUO BREAK PUBLIC LAW by not taking minutes at their meeting? And the Con Court verdict is …

“…the violations of OPML in this case hampered the right of the public to be informed…”

Again, am I missing something here? They say in their own ruling that there was a clear violation of the law, but that because important things happened at that meeting, and at meetings thereafter, they do not want to deal with the fall-out?

Man, I need some friends on Con Court right about now …

]]> By: Niedermeyer http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-95984 Niedermeyer Fri, 12 Oct 2007 03:03:31 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-95984 ...oh, and this would also make for some fantastic precedent... if Con Court y'know, considered things like precedent. Imagine this logic being used in an embezzlement case (well, 20 eyewitnesses saw you remove $10,000 in cash from the ASUO controllers office, but as long as you don't do it again, that's cool). Also, it is pretty far from reassuring to know that Ms Jones is the Senator in charge of ethics reform. Clearly the only reason she is so keen on seeing the law go unenforced is because she desperately wants to keep "ASUO Summer Senate President" on her resume. Just the kind of pathetically self-serving little twit we want taking credit for drafting rules of ethics for the ASUO. BOOO! …oh, and this would also make for some fantastic precedent… if Con Court y’know, considered things like precedent. Imagine this logic being used in an embezzlement case (well, 20 eyewitnesses saw you remove $10,000 in cash from the ASUO controllers office, but as long as you don’t do it again, that’s cool).

Also, it is pretty far from reassuring to know that Ms Jones is the Senator in charge of ethics reform. Clearly the only reason she is so keen on seeing the law go unenforced is because she desperately wants to keep “ASUO Summer Senate President” on her resume. Just the kind of pathetically self-serving little twit we want taking credit for drafting rules of ethics for the ASUO.

BOOO!

]]> By: Niedermeyer http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-95983 Niedermeyer Fri, 12 Oct 2007 02:58:01 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/10/11/the-asuo-pulls-another-asuo/#comment-95983 Not surprised at all. "Yes you broke the law, but it will only matter if you do it again." Classic Con Court logic. *sigh* Not surprised at all. “Yes you broke the law, but it will only matter if you do it again.” Classic Con Court logic.

*sigh*

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