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	<title>Comments on: DPS: bad at counting, good at tweaking</title>
	<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/</link>
	<description>Free Minds, Free Markets, Free Booze</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95967</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 01:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95967</guid>
		<description>I have to say, that I could not agree with you in 100% regarding DPS: bad at counting, good at tweaking, but it's just my opinion, which could be wrong :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say, that I could not agree with you in 100% regarding DPS: bad at counting, good at tweaking, but it&#8217;s just my opinion, which could be wrong :)</p>
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		<title>By: Niedermeyer</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95369</link>
		<dc:creator>Niedermeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95369</guid>
		<description>Sean: To be fair, she does play softball like a man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean: To be fair, she does play softball like a man.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95367</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95367</guid>
		<description>During my undergrad years I took to calling DPS "NotCops".  It really irritated them.  It was awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During my undergrad years I took to calling DPS &#8220;NotCops&#8221;.  It really irritated them.  It was awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95363</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95363</guid>
		<description>Oh, yeah? Well you play baseball like a GIRL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, yeah? Well you play baseball like a GIRL!</p>
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		<title>By: Blaser</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95362</link>
		<dc:creator>Blaser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95362</guid>
		<description>"And if you run, they may try to chase you down, which could hurt you or them."

So who here wants to bet that bigmac is from DPS? 

Oh, and I've seen the DPS "give chase" on Niedermeyer's already referenced curb-stomping night - I think the only thing that got hurt was the tub of lard that was violently jolted around for a whole 15 feet before Mrs. Husky decided it wasn't worth the physical pain to run after an innocent bystander any longer.

Look, I don't think any of us have a problem with people who want to keep us safe. But I know I myself don't take kindly to being harassed and "intimidated" by the same people who are supposed to be protecting me from harm, and which refuse to talk to students about their policies and procedures but troll their blogs and chime in to talk about how it is best to submit to their "authorita".

"Bottom line, don’t do what niedermeyer recomends, no matter how tongue in cheek it is."

Actually, I'll continue to stand up for my rights on campus, and strongly encourage others to do so as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And if you run, they may try to chase you down, which could hurt you or them.&#8221;</p>
<p>So who here wants to bet that bigmac is from DPS? </p>
<p>Oh, and I&#8217;ve seen the DPS &#8220;give chase&#8221; on Niedermeyer&#8217;s already referenced curb-stomping night - I think the only thing that got hurt was the tub of lard that was violently jolted around for a whole 15 feet before Mrs. Husky decided it wasn&#8217;t worth the physical pain to run after an innocent bystander any longer.</p>
<p>Look, I don&#8217;t think any of us have a problem with people who want to keep us safe. But I know I myself don&#8217;t take kindly to being harassed and &#8220;intimidated&#8221; by the same people who are supposed to be protecting me from harm, and which refuse to talk to students about their policies and procedures but troll their blogs and chime in to talk about how it is best to submit to their &#8220;authorita&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Bottom line, don’t do what niedermeyer recomends, no matter how tongue in cheek it is.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, I&#8217;ll continue to stand up for my rights on campus, and strongly encourage others to do so as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Kermit is Green</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95361</link>
		<dc:creator>Kermit is Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95361</guid>
		<description>DPS has probable cause arrest authority and stop frisk authority. Kermit Out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DPS has probable cause arrest authority and stop frisk authority. Kermit Out</p>
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		<title>By: bigmac</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95359</link>
		<dc:creator>bigmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95359</guid>
		<description>Moral of the story: Kids, there’s no reason to ever be busted by DPS for anything. Run, lie, or just brazen it out and say you left your I.D. off-campus… unless you literally pass them the dutch, DPS can’t really do shit to you.

Actually, if you haven't done anything wrong, then there's no reason to do any of the above. Just remember, as a student of the University, you are required by the University to show your student identification if the officers need to confirm that you are indeed a student. As far as lying, if it is to avoid getting a citation, DPS can have you cited for false info, which results in another charge on top of the one you are being stopped for. And if you run, they may try to chase you down, which could hurt you or them. DPS does have authority, including probable cause arrest authority, and being able to cite or arrest someone falls in that category. Bottom line, don't do what niedermeyer recomends, no matter how tongue in cheek it is. And yes timothy, you are correct, you don't have to show identification other than student I.D since there was no real reason to stop you from the way you told your story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moral of the story: Kids, there’s no reason to ever be busted by DPS for anything. Run, lie, or just brazen it out and say you left your I.D. off-campus… unless you literally pass them the dutch, DPS can’t really do shit to you.</p>
<p>Actually, if you haven&#8217;t done anything wrong, then there&#8217;s no reason to do any of the above. Just remember, as a student of the University, you are required by the University to show your student identification if the officers need to confirm that you are indeed a student. As far as lying, if it is to avoid getting a citation, DPS can have you cited for false info, which results in another charge on top of the one you are being stopped for. And if you run, they may try to chase you down, which could hurt you or them. DPS does have authority, including probable cause arrest authority, and being able to cite or arrest someone falls in that category. Bottom line, don&#8217;t do what niedermeyer recomends, no matter how tongue in cheek it is. And yes timothy, you are correct, you don&#8217;t have to show identification other than student I.D since there was no real reason to stop you from the way you told your story.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95358</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95358</guid>
		<description>Hell, just walking around real cops don't have the authority to ask for your ID.  Having a backpack, it being night, and being a student I got stopped by cops around campus a few times.  I did what I had a right to do: refused to show them my ID and walked away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hell, just walking around real cops don&#8217;t have the authority to ask for your ID.  Having a backpack, it being night, and being a student I got stopped by cops around campus a few times.  I did what I had a right to do: refused to show them my ID and walked away.</p>
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		<title>By: niedermeyer</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95357</link>
		<dc:creator>niedermeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95357</guid>
		<description>Kermit-
The point of the anecdote was less "all DPS officers are morons" and more "DPS has so little authority to do anything that I really can't hate them." Correct me if I'm wrong, but DPS officers had no legal authority to detain me just because I happened to walk past them as they were engaged in said curb-stomping. As far as I understand it, there's no legal requirement for me to even show them I.D. no matter how much they shine their big scary flashlights in my face. If this is the case, then yes, I appreciate what a remarkable job DPS does of keeping the campus safe using little more than their power to persuade "perps" to cooperate. It's actually quite impressive, not to mention a fantastic opportunity to teach kids that people with badges actually have some limits to their powers. 

Moral of the story: Kids, there's no reason to ever be busted by DPS for anything. Run, lie, or just brazen it out and say you left your I.D. off-campus... unless you literally pass them the dutch, DPS can't really do shit to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kermit-<br />
The point of the anecdote was less &#8220;all DPS officers are morons&#8221; and more &#8220;DPS has so little authority to do anything that I really can&#8217;t hate them.&#8221; Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but DPS officers had no legal authority to detain me just because I happened to walk past them as they were engaged in said curb-stomping. As far as I understand it, there&#8217;s no legal requirement for me to even show them I.D. no matter how much they shine their big scary flashlights in my face. If this is the case, then yes, I appreciate what a remarkable job DPS does of keeping the campus safe using little more than their power to persuade &#8220;perps&#8221; to cooperate. It&#8217;s actually quite impressive, not to mention a fantastic opportunity to teach kids that people with badges actually have some limits to their powers. </p>
<p>Moral of the story: Kids, there&#8217;s no reason to ever be busted by DPS for anything. Run, lie, or just brazen it out and say you left your I.D. off-campus&#8230; unless you literally pass them the dutch, DPS can&#8217;t really do shit to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95356</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95356</guid>
		<description>Am I the only one who remembers the four year long series of rapes behind the library?  Is that guy still around? DPS and the EPD where too busy busting kids for drinking and breaking up parties to bother catching &lt;em&gt;an actual criminal in a known locale&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one who remembers the four year long series of rapes behind the library?  Is that guy still around? DPS and the EPD where too busy busting kids for drinking and breaking up parties to bother catching <em>an actual criminal in a known locale</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Kermit is Green</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95355</link>
		<dc:creator>Kermit is Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95355</guid>
		<description>I hate taking the defensive yet here I sit on my lilly pad in the swamp dodging.  I said most... not all DPS officers have been or are trained as police. Your right some are just old security guards trying to adapt. The comical little rendition about a bumbling officer just proves that anything I say won't be at least considered. (I may have heard about that one from an inside source and if I am right you've painted at the least from a skewed point of view) Keep in mind the direction of things and you will see the Oregon University system catch up with everybody else.

 As for recognition well... remember my muppet friends that they keep away the rapists, murderers and thieves that wish to victimize the campus community. (Yes there are folks on parole who have murder on their records out and about and yes DPS has dealt with them) They are underequipped to do this job but they do it anyways.  O well who cares.

Remember that a baseball traveling at 90mph hurts anywhere it hits you.
Kermit out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate taking the defensive yet here I sit on my lilly pad in the swamp dodging.  I said most&#8230; not all DPS officers have been or are trained as police. Your right some are just old security guards trying to adapt. The comical little rendition about a bumbling officer just proves that anything I say won&#8217;t be at least considered. (I may have heard about that one from an inside source and if I am right you&#8217;ve painted at the least from a skewed point of view) Keep in mind the direction of things and you will see the Oregon University system catch up with everybody else.</p>
<p> As for recognition well&#8230; remember my muppet friends that they keep away the rapists, murderers and thieves that wish to victimize the campus community. (Yes there are folks on parole who have murder on their records out and about and yes DPS has dealt with them) They are underequipped to do this job but they do it anyways.  O well who cares.</p>
<p>Remember that a baseball traveling at 90mph hurts anywhere it hits you.<br />
Kermit out.</p>
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		<title>By: niedermeyer</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95298</link>
		<dc:creator>niedermeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95298</guid>
		<description>Kermit: Ridiculing/bitching about DPS doesn't mean we don't appreciate them... personally, I like my law enforcement undertrained, unarmed and too busy stealing their own revenue to bust me while I'm smoking a doob in the graveyard. Hell, I've even stopped to photograph the DPS curb-stomping some transient on the late-late, and been informed that I couldn't leave the premises, only to walk off leaving my husky, would-be detainer mumbling about how I'm supposed to go with them. Honestly, opportunities to be openly contemptuous to security authorities are so rare these days, I almost feel like whatever we're paying DPS, it isn't enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kermit: Ridiculing/bitching about DPS doesn&#8217;t mean we don&#8217;t appreciate them&#8230; personally, I like my law enforcement undertrained, unarmed and too busy stealing their own revenue to bust me while I&#8217;m smoking a doob in the graveyard. Hell, I&#8217;ve even stopped to photograph the DPS curb-stomping some transient on the late-late, and been informed that I couldn&#8217;t leave the premises, only to walk off leaving my husky, would-be detainer mumbling about how I&#8217;m supposed to go with them. Honestly, opportunities to be openly contemptuous to security authorities are so rare these days, I almost feel like whatever we&#8217;re paying DPS, it isn&#8217;t enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95296</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95296</guid>
		<description>I bet Kermit's fingers smell like bacon.</description>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95295</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95295</guid>
		<description>Ted get a hold of me, shoot me an email, or call if you still have my number.  Sorry to interrupt your discussion gentlemen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted get a hold of me, shoot me an email, or call if you still have my number.  Sorry to interrupt your discussion gentlemen.</p>
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		<title>By: Sho</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95293</link>
		<dc:creator>Sho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95293</guid>
		<description>@Kermit:
Of course, in the relationship between cops and students, the cops rarely end up looking like the good guys; nonetheless, like Geoff's comment, your comment still doesn't mitigate the belief on this blog, and elsewhere on campus, that the actions of this DPS parking division employee adds to the department's overall poor public image.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kermit:<br />
Of course, in the relationship between cops and students, the cops rarely end up looking like the good guys; nonetheless, like Geoff&#8217;s comment, your comment still doesn&#8217;t mitigate the belief on this blog, and elsewhere on campus, that the actions of this DPS parking division employee adds to the department&#8217;s overall poor public image.</p>
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		<title>By: Kermit is Green</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95289</link>
		<dc:creator>Kermit is Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95289</guid>
		<description>Everyone relax. The guilty fellow repaired and maintained meters. He did not write tickets or enforce the law. He was just a repair guy not the one arresting bike thieves, catching predatory sex offenders and writing MIPs. 

The patrol division can do parking enforcement but they have nothing to do with meter collection. In fact the patrol division deals with law enforcement and investigations 98.9% of the time. Keep in mind that almost all of the folks of the patrol division have been through a full police academy or reserve police academy. Many are college educated and chose to be here even though they are overqualifed for any department in the country. The old guard at DPS is getting pushed out and a great group of professionals will soon be in control of the place.  Get to know these folks and you might learn something. Stop hating just cause you got an MIP and remember to keep your hands and legs inside the ride at all times. Kermit out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone relax. The guilty fellow repaired and maintained meters. He did not write tickets or enforce the law. He was just a repair guy not the one arresting bike thieves, catching predatory sex offenders and writing MIPs. </p>
<p>The patrol division can do parking enforcement but they have nothing to do with meter collection. In fact the patrol division deals with law enforcement and investigations 98.9% of the time. Keep in mind that almost all of the folks of the patrol division have been through a full police academy or reserve police academy. Many are college educated and chose to be here even though they are overqualifed for any department in the country. The old guard at DPS is getting pushed out and a great group of professionals will soon be in control of the place.  Get to know these folks and you might learn something. Stop hating just cause you got an MIP and remember to keep your hands and legs inside the ride at all times. Kermit out.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95288</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95288</guid>
		<description>I could use a blow job...Wubba Wubba, any tips on where to find one of those?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could use a blow job&#8230;Wubba Wubba, any tips on where to find one of those?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95287</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95287</guid>
		<description>Sho Ikeda, you are under arrest for arguing too strong of a point against psuedo-authority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sho Ikeda, you are under arrest for arguing too strong of a point against psuedo-authority.</p>
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		<title>By: Sho</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95285</link>
		<dc:creator>Sho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95285</guid>
		<description>&lt;em&gt;It’s kind of like me saying the Commentator and the Emerald are the exact same newspaper simply because they both have written pieces in them.&lt;/em&gt;

No, it's not like that at all.  If you were to say the Commentator and the Emerald were the exact same newspaper because they both have offices in the EMU, then you'd sort of have a working analogy there.

However, it's still incorrect.  A better comparison could be to claim that the news section and advertising section of the Emerald are one and the same.

However, Geoff, your comment does not invalidate the notion that the crimes committed by one DPS employee, whether or not he was a patrol officer, reflects poorly on the organization as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>It’s kind of like me saying the Commentator and the Emerald are the exact same newspaper simply because they both have written pieces in them.</em></p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s not like that at all.  If you were to say the Commentator and the Emerald were the exact same newspaper because they both have offices in the EMU, then you&#8217;d sort of have a working analogy there.</p>
<p>However, it&#8217;s still incorrect.  A better comparison could be to claim that the news section and advertising section of the Emerald are one and the same.</p>
<p>However, Geoff, your comment does not invalidate the notion that the crimes committed by one DPS employee, whether or not he was a patrol officer, reflects poorly on the organization as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Wubba Wubba</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/08/07/dps-bad-at-counting-good-at-tweaking/#comment-95284</link>
		<dc:creator>Wubba Wubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 05:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're too sensitive, Geoff.

I'd suggest that you go get a blow job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re too sensitive, Geoff.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest that you go get a blow job.</p>
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