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	<title>Comments on: Interesting Research: Brains May Like Taxes</title>
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		<title>By: The One-Handed Economist &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Brains 2: Neural Pathway Bugaloo</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/06/25/interesting-research-brains-may-like-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-95053</link>
		<dc:creator>The One-Handed Economist &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Brains 2: Neural Pathway Bugaloo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 04:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] read the full paper that I mentioned here, I think some of my initial reservations, which were based on a synopsis, were a little misplaced. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Oregon Commentator &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Brains 2: Taxation Bugaloo</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/06/25/interesting-research-brains-may-like-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-95052</link>
		<dc:creator>Oregon Commentator &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Brains 2: Taxation Bugaloo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] read the full paper that I mentioned here, I think some of my initial reservations, which were based on a synopsis, were a little misplaced. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] read the full paper that I mentioned here, I think some of my initial reservations, which were based on a synopsis, were a little misplaced. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/06/25/interesting-research-brains-may-like-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-95049</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 02:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You too Colin, nice to see what ex-OCers are up to, the full paper is pretty interesting so far, but I&#039;m not very far into it, work sucked up all of today.  Pesky job, making me earn the money they pay me.

EDIT: I think I was also probably premature with the whole idiot thing, although I think Olly&#039;s point is right on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You too Colin, nice to see what ex-OCers are up to, the full paper is pretty interesting so far, but I&#8217;m not very far into it, work sucked up all of today.  Pesky job, making me earn the money they pay me.</p>
<p>EDIT: I think I was also probably premature with the whole idiot thing, although I think Olly&#8217;s point is right on.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/06/25/interesting-research-brains-may-like-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-95047</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So, sending people out to earn their seed money before conducting the experiment would be pretty much the least scientific thing you could possibly do in this situation, although I’m sure it would result in some nice anecdotes.&quot;

Fair point. But I don&#039;t think that contradicts my point - which I would like to clarify: the conclusions derrived from the experiment are faulty. Taxes, by definition, come from an earned income. The experiment can apply to money given but it cannot apply to taxes (some exceptions like inheritance taxes could be loosely tied to the research but even that is highly dubious).

Tim: No one is calling anyone an idiot. I am calling a particular aspect of the experiment and the conclusions being drawn &quot;idiotic&quot; - which they are. However, I am excited to read the full paper and possibly have my views amended.

PS: nice to talk with you all again. I hope you are both doing well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So, sending people out to earn their seed money before conducting the experiment would be pretty much the least scientific thing you could possibly do in this situation, although I’m sure it would result in some nice anecdotes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fair point. But I don&#8217;t think that contradicts my point &#8211; which I would like to clarify: the conclusions derrived from the experiment are faulty. Taxes, by definition, come from an earned income. The experiment can apply to money given but it cannot apply to taxes (some exceptions like inheritance taxes could be loosely tied to the research but even that is highly dubious).</p>
<p>Tim: No one is calling anyone an idiot. I am calling a particular aspect of the experiment and the conclusions being drawn &#8220;idiotic&#8221; &#8211; which they are. However, I am excited to read the full paper and possibly have my views amended.</p>
<p>PS: nice to talk with you all again. I hope you are both doing well.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/06/25/interesting-research-brains-may-like-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-95042</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the offer Professor Harbaugh.

Olly: If you haven&#039;t already emailed Prof. Harbaugh about it I can send it along, just let me know.  And IIRC, you can draw significant conclusions from small samples, but you can&#039;t always assume its mean is the true mean.  Anyway, that&#039;s why I wonder about the small sample size.  After I have a chance to read the paper I may be of a completely different opinion.

Colin: You can call Bill Harbaugh a lot of things, but I think &quot;idiot&quot; is pretty far off the mark.  I mean, as I stated in my post &lt;strong&gt;I have not read the paper yet and this post is based on the &lt;em&gt;Science&lt;/em&gt; synopsis&lt;/strong&gt;, so I could be pretty off-base and I am certainly not an expert on neuroeconomics.  Mostly I thought it was an interesting idea, that it&#039;s cool a professor in the UO department is in &lt;em&gt;Science&lt;/em&gt;, and that it might be worth reading the whole thing to see what they actually claim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the offer Professor Harbaugh.</p>
<p>Olly: If you haven&#8217;t already emailed Prof. Harbaugh about it I can send it along, just let me know.  And IIRC, you can draw significant conclusions from small samples, but you can&#8217;t always assume its mean is the true mean.  Anyway, that&#8217;s why I wonder about the small sample size.  After I have a chance to read the paper I may be of a completely different opinion.</p>
<p>Colin: You can call Bill Harbaugh a lot of things, but I think &#8220;idiot&#8221; is pretty far off the mark.  I mean, as I stated in my post <strong>I have not read the paper yet and this post is based on the <em>Science</em> synopsis</strong>, so I could be pretty off-base and I am certainly not an expert on neuroeconomics.  Mostly I thought it was an interesting idea, that it&#8217;s cool a professor in the UO department is in <em>Science</em>, and that it might be worth reading the whole thing to see what they actually claim.</p>
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		<title>By: good work OC</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/06/25/interesting-research-brains-may-like-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-95040</link>
		<dc:creator>good work OC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harbaugh reads the OC blog?? Pretty impressive....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harbaugh reads the OC blog?? Pretty impressive&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bil Harbaugh</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/06/25/interesting-research-brains-may-like-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-95039</link>
		<dc:creator>Bil Harbaugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be happy to email a pdf of the paper to anyone who asks - my address is posted on my website, http://harbaugh.org

Yours, Bill Harbaugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be happy to email a pdf of the paper to anyone who asks &#8211; my address is posted on my website, <a href="http://harbaugh.org" rel="nofollow">http://harbaugh.org</a></p>
<p>Yours, Bill Harbaugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Olly</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/06/25/interesting-research-brains-may-like-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-95038</link>
		<dc:creator>Olly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colin: &quot;Maybe the most idiotic and non-scientific aspect of this experiment was the fact that the money was given - not earned.&quot;

Steady on, Colin, jeez. In order for an experiment to be &quot;scientific&quot;, it has to be replicable: that is, independent researchers should be able to do the same thing you did and get comparable results. For this to happen, external factors have to be controlled as much as possible. So, sending people out to earn their seed money before conducting the experiment would be pretty much the least scientific thing you could possibly do in this situation, although I&#039;m sure it would result in some nice anecdotes. 

Tim: &quot;As the ODE story points out, only 19 people were sampled for this study. That’s a pretty small sample to draw conclusions from...&quot;

It&#039;s not statistically significant, but are they claiming it is? (Any chance you could email me that PDF?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colin: &#8220;Maybe the most idiotic and non-scientific aspect of this experiment was the fact that the money was given &#8211; not earned.&#8221;</p>
<p>Steady on, Colin, jeez. In order for an experiment to be &#8220;scientific&#8221;, it has to be replicable: that is, independent researchers should be able to do the same thing you did and get comparable results. For this to happen, external factors have to be controlled as much as possible. So, sending people out to earn their seed money before conducting the experiment would be pretty much the least scientific thing you could possibly do in this situation, although I&#8217;m sure it would result in some nice anecdotes. </p>
<p>Tim: &#8220;As the ODE story points out, only 19 people were sampled for this study. That’s a pretty small sample to draw conclusions from&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not statistically significant, but are they claiming it is? (Any chance you could email me that PDF?)</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/06/25/interesting-research-brains-may-like-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-95037</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the most idiotic and non-scientific aspect of this experiment was the fact that the money was given - not earned. Naturally, a person being given $100 is going to be a bit more liberal with it than someone who dealt with clean-ups on aisles 5, 6 and 19 for a day and a half. It seems a given that a study claiming to measure pleasure in spending would account for this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the most idiotic and non-scientific aspect of this experiment was the fact that the money was given &#8211; not earned. Naturally, a person being given $100 is going to be a bit more liberal with it than someone who dealt with clean-ups on aisles 5, 6 and 19 for a day and a half. It seems a given that a study claiming to measure pleasure in spending would account for this.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vincent.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me? I&#039;m always amused by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chgs.umn.edu/Visual___Artistic_Resources/Absence_Presence/General_Tour__Absence_Presence/Zbigniew_Libera/Box6772A.JPG&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lego Concentration Camp&lt;/a&gt;. Those little skeletons are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chgs.umn.edu/Visual___Artistic_Resources/Absence_Presence/General_Tour__Absence_Presence/Zbigniew_Libera/Box6753.JPG&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;just smiling&lt;/a&gt; and happy to be there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me? I&#8217;m always amused by <a href="http://www.chgs.umn.edu/Visual___Artistic_Resources/Absence_Presence/General_Tour__Absence_Presence/Zbigniew_Libera/Box6772A.JPG" rel="nofollow">Lego Concentration Camp</a>. Those little skeletons are <a href="http://www.chgs.umn.edu/Visual___Artistic_Resources/Absence_Presence/General_Tour__Absence_Presence/Zbigniew_Libera/Box6753.JPG" rel="nofollow">just smiling</a> and happy to be there!</p>
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