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	<title>Comments on: Executive Debate Report</title>
	<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/</link>
	<description>Free Minds, Free Markets, Free Booze</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 05:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93979</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 00:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93979</guid>
		<description>The problem with student groups is, and always has been, the fact that they feel they are somehow inherently entitled to student money for whatever purpose might please them. When this notion is challenged, the easiest thing to do is claim racism/classism/sexism/cultural rapism/whatever "ism" is popular that year.

What I find astounding and hilarious is how the Senate went IN to the meeting with the intention of disclipling a senator, and came OUT of the meeting with the intention of attending sensitivity training. I keep forgetting that I'm not watching a South Park episode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with student groups is, and always has been, the fact that they feel they are somehow inherently entitled to student money for whatever purpose might please them. When this notion is challenged, the easiest thing to do is claim racism/classism/sexism/cultural rapism/whatever &#8220;ism&#8221; is popular that year.</p>
<p>What I find astounding and hilarious is how the Senate went IN to the meeting with the intention of disclipling a senator, and came OUT of the meeting with the intention of attending sensitivity training. I keep forgetting that I&#8217;m not watching a South Park episode.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacque</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93978</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 00:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93978</guid>
		<description>What noone really realizes was that the point of gulley's etthics hearing was not necessarily to punish him but to have him explain ALL of his actions. However, it was clear that that was NOT going to happen with the hostile atmospherre created in the room. I keep wondering if all of those people were really speaking up because they were mad and had actual evidence that they were actually oppressed by the senate or if they were just mad because we didn't bend over to give them the funding they wanted. There is a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What noone really realizes was that the point of gulley&#8217;s etthics hearing was not necessarily to punish him but to have him explain ALL of his actions. However, it was clear that that was NOT going to happen with the hostile atmospherre created in the room. I keep wondering if all of those people were really speaking up because they were mad and had actual evidence that they were actually oppressed by the senate or if they were just mad because we didn&#8217;t bend over to give them the funding they wanted. There is a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Toby</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93976</link>
		<dc:creator>Toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93976</guid>
		<description>Athan, come on, get backbone.  You can't be a leader if you are afraid to do the right thing.  Right on Betz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Athan, come on, get backbone.  You can&#8217;t be a leader if you are afraid to do the right thing.  Right on Betz</p>
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		<title>By: Betz</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93948</link>
		<dc:creator>Betz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93948</guid>
		<description>Papailiou voted nay on Gulley? Big surprise there...coming from the guy who is noted on voting in support of of senate motions just so he wouldn't (Ibid) "hurt anyone's feelings..." (I forget the specific article where this is mentioned, so sue me).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Papailiou voted nay on Gulley? Big surprise there&#8230;coming from the guy who is noted on voting in support of of senate motions just so he wouldn&#8217;t (Ibid) &#8220;hurt anyone&#8217;s feelings&#8230;&#8221; (I forget the specific article where this is mentioned, so sue me).</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93946</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93946</guid>
		<description>&lt;em&gt;The difference is that I don’t feel tied up in an environment that trains me to the artificial standards of competitive debate (in which Emily could well have won this debate).&lt;/em&gt;

If you're letting CXers tie you up between their stuttering sessions, you're doing something grievously wrong, Ted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The difference is that I don’t feel tied up in an environment that trains me to the artificial standards of competitive debate (in which Emily could well have won this debate).</em></p>
<p>If you&#8217;re letting CXers tie you up between their stuttering sessions, you&#8217;re doing something grievously wrong, Ted.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93945</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93945</guid>
		<description>The difference is that I don’t feel tied up in an environment that trains me to the artificial standards of competitive debate (in which Emily could well have won this debate).

Amen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference is that I don’t feel tied up in an environment that trains me to the artificial standards of competitive debate (in which Emily could well have won this debate).</p>
<p>Amen.</p>
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		<title>By: Ford</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93944</link>
		<dc:creator>Ford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93944</guid>
		<description>This Senate meeting was disgusting!  Under the current system, the senate doesn't deserve to manage the $12m that they're so proud of.  The system doesn't work well and apparently it's staffed by the other discussion section of my Poli Sci 102 class.

I campaigned for the Campaign for Change today but now I don't care.  Sen. Papailiou votes nay on Gulley; Hamilton is off for good (which I suppose was less her fault) - I've been telling people to vote "Change" because they had experience and were responsible and intelligent.  Kind of rings hollow now.

Such are the griefs of true believers... shoulda voted for ted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Senate meeting was disgusting!  Under the current system, the senate doesn&#8217;t deserve to manage the $12m that they&#8217;re so proud of.  The system doesn&#8217;t work well and apparently it&#8217;s staffed by the other discussion section of my Poli Sci 102 class.</p>
<p>I campaigned for the Campaign for Change today but now I don&#8217;t care.  Sen. Papailiou votes nay on Gulley; Hamilton is off for good (which I suppose was less her fault) - I&#8217;ve been telling people to vote &#8220;Change&#8221; because they had experience and were responsible and intelligent.  Kind of rings hollow now.</p>
<p>Such are the griefs of true believers&#8230; shoulda voted for ted.</p>
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		<title>By: niedermeyer</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93943</link>
		<dc:creator>niedermeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93943</guid>
		<description>Um, Nate only seconds motions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, Nate only seconds motions.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93942</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93942</guid>
		<description>Do you mean this Erica Anderson?...


I love Nate Gulley.
I plan on having his babies, because I want to fill the world with little Nate Gulleys. It is my goal to be the perfect wife to Nate. Every night I will cook the perfect meals for him. Then I will rub his feet after he is done with work. oh, how do I love Nate? Let me count the ways. 
1) love the way he smells
2) love the way he makes motions in senate
3) I love to watch him while he hangs out in the MCC (he doesn't know I watch him. sshhh its a secret)
4) I have a weird thing for the way he wears his hat. 
I love Nate Gulley


Yeah..fitting she should file the grievance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you mean this Erica Anderson?&#8230;</p>
<p>I love Nate Gulley.<br />
I plan on having his babies, because I want to fill the world with little Nate Gulleys. It is my goal to be the perfect wife to Nate. Every night I will cook the perfect meals for him. Then I will rub his feet after he is done with work. oh, how do I love Nate? Let me count the ways.<br />
1) love the way he smells<br />
2) love the way he makes motions in senate<br />
3) I love to watch him while he hangs out in the MCC (he doesn&#8217;t know I watch him. sshhh its a secret)<br />
4) I have a weird thing for the way he wears his hat.<br />
I love Nate Gulley</p>
<p>Yeah..fitting she should file the grievance.</p>
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		<title>By: Miles</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93941</link>
		<dc:creator>Miles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 06:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93941</guid>
		<description>I just got in about 30 minutes ago, and apparently it was Erika Anderson who filed the grievance. There will probably be more...I dunno...I figured I'd give that fact at the very least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got in about 30 minutes ago, and apparently it was Erika Anderson who filed the grievance. There will probably be more&#8230;I dunno&#8230;I figured I&#8217;d give that fact at the very least.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93940</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 06:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93940</guid>
		<description>Is there any truth to the rumor that certain volunteers from Emily and San's campaign filed a grievance in which Sara Hamilton was removed from Senate? If they want to win so bad, they should do so with a little bit of integrity. This isn't right and it isn't ok... I can't seem to find any information that sheds light on the situation but odds are that if Rees and Llleras are acting like their typical selves, then its true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any truth to the rumor that certain volunteers from Emily and San&#8217;s campaign filed a grievance in which Sara Hamilton was removed from Senate? If they want to win so bad, they should do so with a little bit of integrity. This isn&#8217;t right and it isn&#8217;t ok&#8230; I can&#8217;t seem to find any information that sheds light on the situation but odds are that if Rees and Llleras are acting like their typical selves, then its true.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael G.</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93939</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93939</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Oh shit, do alums read this?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Never.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Oh shit, do alums read this?</p></blockquote>
<p>Never.</p>
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		<title>By: Niedermeyer</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93937</link>
		<dc:creator>Niedermeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93937</guid>
		<description>From &lt;a href="http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/24/524-senate-meeting/#comments" rel="nofollow"&gt;our blog coverage of that meeting&lt;/a&gt;:



&lt;blockquote&gt;Ian Says:
May 25th, 2006 at 2:29 am e

Erickson, Faust, Malena, Kato, Irvin, and Filippelli walked out. Hamilton and Papailiou also left at that point, although I have not confirmed that they left specifically because of the Insurgent line item.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From <a href="http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/24/524-senate-meeting/#comments" rel="nofollow">our blog coverage of that meeting</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Ian Says:<br />
May 25th, 2006 at 2:29 am e</p>
<p>Erickson, Faust, Malena, Kato, Irvin, and Filippelli walked out. Hamilton and Papailiou also left at that point, although I have not confirmed that they left specifically because of the Insurgent line item.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Niedermeyer</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93936</link>
		<dc:creator>Niedermeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93936</guid>
		<description>Do go on, "I remember"...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do go on, &#8220;I remember&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: I remember</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93935</link>
		<dc:creator>I remember</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93935</guid>
		<description>So is Sara the competent leader the same one that walked out of a Senate meeting last year because the OSA  Rep for the Exec told her to?  Oh wait, didn't Athan do that too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So is Sara the competent leader the same one that walked out of a Senate meeting last year because the OSA  Rep for the Exec told her to?  Oh wait, didn&#8217;t Athan do that too?</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93934</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93934</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What groups need to understand is that a basic level of accountability is important, and not a threat to their well-being.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The man speaks the truth.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Either way, we’ll have a competent, capable leader.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

For the first time in ASUO history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What groups need to understand is that a basic level of accountability is important, and not a threat to their well-being.</p></blockquote>
<p>The man speaks the truth.</p>
<blockquote><p>Either way, we’ll have a competent, capable leader.</p></blockquote>
<p>For the first time in ASUO history.</p>
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		<title>By: Niedermeyer</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93933</link>
		<dc:creator>Niedermeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93933</guid>
		<description>Oh shit, do alums read this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh shit, do alums read this?</p>
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		<title>By: Niedermeyer</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93932</link>
		<dc:creator>Niedermeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93932</guid>
		<description>You are right, this is silly. Either way, we'll have a competent, capable leader. 

If my "strong stance" is what surprises you or anyone, it is merely the product of seeing the situation up-close. My critics seem to question only my motivations, not the practical value of my suggestions. As the head of a fee-funded program, and as someone who has learned more outside of the college classroom in than in it,  I do understand the value of student programs and groups. What groups need to understand is that a basic level of accountability is important, and not a threat to their well-being. Decisions should be made in the context of annually rising fees and tuition, as well as the context that the groups would like. That's all.

Anyway, nobody will care in two days. Here's to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right, this is silly. Either way, we&#8217;ll have a competent, capable leader. </p>
<p>If my &#8220;strong stance&#8221; is what surprises you or anyone, it is merely the product of seeing the situation up-close. My critics seem to question only my motivations, not the practical value of my suggestions. As the head of a fee-funded program, and as someone who has learned more outside of the college classroom in than in it,  I do understand the value of student programs and groups. What groups need to understand is that a basic level of accountability is important, and not a threat to their well-being. Decisions should be made in the context of annually rising fees and tuition, as well as the context that the groups would like. That&#8217;s all.</p>
<p>Anyway, nobody will care in two days. Here&#8217;s to that.</p>
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		<title>By: Danimal</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93931</link>
		<dc:creator>Danimal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93931</guid>
		<description>A current editor of the Oregon Commentator disclaiming conservative principles -- DRINK!

I'm starting to like these games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A current editor of the Oregon Commentator disclaiming conservative principles &#8212; DRINK!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m starting to like these games.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93930</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2007/04/17/executive-debate-report/#comment-93930</guid>
		<description>This is silly.  I don’t think I need to defend Emily’s eloquence . . . she does that pretty well on her own.

I’m glad your preferences aren’t based on “conservative principles”.  You’re probably right that your take on all this is just not what I expected – musta been all that Foucault.  It does surprise me that you’re willing to take such an aggressive tone in your commentary (seems unwarranted, but I guess you gotta take a stance?)

I think that when it comes to our interpretations of the “recent history of the asuo” and the integrity and tactics of both campaigns, that we just fundamentally disagree.  That’s fine.  It’s probably not necessary to do the back-and-forth on a comment thread.  

A quick word on ethics though – I would urge you to hold Emily accountable only for what she and San say and what their campaign endorses.  Be fair.  She has way too many fliers to hand out to effectively censure every douchbag who offends people.  Failing that it’s frustrating that the call-outs can’t at least be even-handed.

Being a lover of a fee-funded program doesn’t make funding my pet issue.  I am actually most compelled by the accessibility and affordability side of things – what can I say?  . . . It’s the bleeding-heart in me.  I do like to see student groups that do good things receive the funding that they need, but as Editor-in-Chief of a fee-funded program I bet you do too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is silly.  I don’t think I need to defend Emily’s eloquence . . . she does that pretty well on her own.</p>
<p>I’m glad your preferences aren’t based on “conservative principles”.  You’re probably right that your take on all this is just not what I expected – musta been all that Foucault.  It does surprise me that you’re willing to take such an aggressive tone in your commentary (seems unwarranted, but I guess you gotta take a stance?)</p>
<p>I think that when it comes to our interpretations of the “recent history of the asuo” and the integrity and tactics of both campaigns, that we just fundamentally disagree.  That’s fine.  It’s probably not necessary to do the back-and-forth on a comment thread.  </p>
<p>A quick word on ethics though – I would urge you to hold Emily accountable only for what she and San say and what their campaign endorses.  Be fair.  She has way too many fliers to hand out to effectively censure every douchbag who offends people.  Failing that it’s frustrating that the call-outs can’t at least be even-handed.</p>
<p>Being a lover of a fee-funded program doesn’t make funding my pet issue.  I am actually most compelled by the accessibility and affordability side of things – what can I say?  . . . It’s the bleeding-heart in me.  I do like to see student groups that do good things receive the funding that they need, but as Editor-in-Chief of a fee-funded program I bet you do too.</p>
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