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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Fourplay&#8221; Actually Just Self-Righteous Intellectual Masturbation</title>
	<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/</link>
	<description>Free Minds, Free Markets, Free Booze</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Niedermeyer</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-24834</link>
		<dc:creator>Niedermeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-24834</guid>
		<description>UPDATE : The Emerald has printed &lt;a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.dailyemerald.com/media/storage/paper859/news/2006/07/20/Commentary/Criticism.Of.The.Commentator.Shows.Ignorance.Of.Publications.Content-2133308.shtml?norewrite200607221419&#038;sourcedomain=www.dailyemerald.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;our official response&lt;/a&gt; to Packwood Freemans column... Stay tuned for her next column "The ethics behind writing an ethics column."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UPDATE : The Emerald has printed <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.dailyemerald.com/media/storage/paper859/news/2006/07/20/Commentary/Criticism.Of.The.Commentator.Shows.Ignorance.Of.Publications.Content-2133308.shtml?norewrite200607221419&#038;sourcedomain=www.dailyemerald.com" rel="nofollow">our official response</a> to Packwood Freemans column&#8230; Stay tuned for her next column &#8220;The ethics behind writing an ethics column.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Niedermeyer</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-23309</link>
		<dc:creator>Niedermeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-23309</guid>
		<description>Seriously Neums, I\'ve been to busy hacking your sidekick to figure out when the next ODE party-party is to put out an issue... so yeah, if you think I have anything better to do than shoot down that pathetically pedantic hack-job of an ethics lecture you are so wrong.

Oh, and don\'t be so bitter... the ODE website will get a comment someday. Try more podcasts, people don\'t like to read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously Neums, I\&#8217;ve been to busy hacking your sidekick to figure out when the next ODE party-party is to put out an issue&#8230; so yeah, if you think I have anything better to do than shoot down that pathetically pedantic hack-job of an ethics lecture you are so wrong.</p>
<p>Oh, and don\&#8217;t be so bitter&#8230; the ODE website will get a comment someday. Try more podcasts, people don\&#8217;t like to read.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-23278</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-23278</guid>
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Seriously Ted, there are bigger fish to fry&lt;/em&gt;

Maybe. But when a piece as poorly reasoned and clearly ignorant as Freeman's is printed in the Emerald and directed towards us, it warrants a response.

Honestly, if I were you I'd just be embarrassed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Seriously Ted, there are bigger fish to fry</em></p>
<p>Maybe. But when a piece as poorly reasoned and clearly ignorant as Freeman&#8217;s is printed in the Emerald and directed towards us, it warrants a response.</p>
<p>Honestly, if I were you I&#8217;d just be embarrassed.</p>
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		<title>By: Miles Rost</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-23227</link>
		<dc:creator>Miles Rost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-23227</guid>
		<description>I should buy a hamburger and leave it on Freeman's desk. Imagine her horror and the screaming that would come from that office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should buy a hamburger and leave it on Freeman&#8217;s desk. Imagine her horror and the screaming that would come from that office.</p>
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		<title>By: Neums</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-23225</link>
		<dc:creator>Neums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-23225</guid>
		<description>Man you guys have a lot of time on your hands! So that means we expect the first issue right on schedule for sometime in the first three months? I can't wait! 

Seriously Ted, there are bigger fish to fry - like infiltrating a BBQ and reporting on the quality of my toilet paper. Only the best 3 ply for my guests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man you guys have a lot of time on your hands! So that means we expect the first issue right on schedule for sometime in the first three months? I can&#8217;t wait! </p>
<p>Seriously Ted, there are bigger fish to fry - like infiltrating a BBQ and reporting on the quality of my toilet paper. Only the best 3 ply for my guests.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-23212</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 03:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-23212</guid>
		<description>Wow that's fucking bullshit - apparently when they join the emerald they are assimilated in to the collective and their individual right to freedom of speech must be forfeit for the "greater good."

Sound like what Pira Kelly was rambling about - collectives and you can't talk to us individually blah blah. That was before I told her she was dumb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow that&#8217;s fucking bullshit - apparently when they join the emerald they are assimilated in to the collective and their individual right to freedom of speech must be forfeit for the &#8220;greater good.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sound like what Pira Kelly was rambling about - collectives and you can&#8217;t talk to us individually blah blah. That was before I told her she was dumb.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-23211</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 03:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-23211</guid>
		<description>One more thing:

It'll be interesting to see if the ODE's new Editor-in-Chief actually allows his columnists to defend their insipid garbage on our blog when we attack them. ODE staffers were apparantly forbidden from posting last year (indeed, one staffer was even fired after they criticized a particularly stupid sports column) and it was unfortunate-- I'm sure Jessica Derleth could have told us all about her lessons in diversity and Ben Lenet could have told us THE TRUTH about Barbara Boxer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing:</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll be interesting to see if the ODE&#8217;s new Editor-in-Chief actually allows his columnists to defend their insipid garbage on our blog when we attack them. ODE staffers were apparantly forbidden from posting last year (indeed, one staffer was even fired after they criticized a particularly stupid sports column) and it was unfortunate&#8211; I&#8217;m sure Jessica Derleth could have told us all about her lessons in diversity and Ben Lenet could have told us THE TRUTH about Barbara Boxer.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-23209</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 03:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-23209</guid>
		<description>Also, at the risk of sounding dickish, did people even read the fucking cover for our &lt;em&gt;Comics Kill!&lt;/em&gt; issue? I mean, I know the Photoshop was crappy, but the title and subtitle spoke directly to the idiotic uproar that followed both the Muhammed and Aroused Jesus cartoons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, at the risk of sounding dickish, did people even read the fucking cover for our <em>Comics Kill!</em> issue? I mean, I know the Photoshop was crappy, but the title and subtitle spoke directly to the idiotic uproar that followed both the Muhammed and Aroused Jesus cartoons.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-23207</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 03:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-23207</guid>
		<description>As far as I'm concerned, Freeman's column was a new low for &lt;em&gt;ODE&lt;/em&gt; commentary. At least Slater and Shakra's columns were... imaginative. Either she didn't read our issue or is illterate and simply dictated her column to someone.

&lt;em&gt;Perhaps the campus publications should develop their own codes of ethics to help guide them in editorial decisions, considering all the moral claimants involved, so that they can continue to challenge students\' beliefs without totally alienating or harming them.&lt;/em&gt;

If someone's religious beliefs were actually harmed by either the comics in the Commentator or Insurgent, then they didn't truly believe in the first place. In fact, our commentary didn't criticize or question the central belief structure of Islam in any way. It did criticize people who were misusing a religion in order to further themselves and forment anger... we argue against this sort of thing all the time-- just look at anything we've ever printed about Bill Donohue or Pat Robertson. So I suppose that if you believe that religion &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; be used to incite people to violence that we could've possibly harmed your beliefs--but it's not likely.

I can only assume that she's speaking to the comics (COMICS!), which were printed in full context. Not understanding the concept of context is going to really hurt her in the long run.

&lt;em&gt;Try the Spew section here. (The source article, which is absolutely marvellous, is halfway down this page.)&lt;/em&gt;

Oh my. Any thought of being hard-up for &lt;em&gt;ODE&lt;/em&gt; Spew material next year just disappeared. Thankfully, a disaster for the &lt;em&gt;ODE&lt;/em&gt; means a plentiful harvest for the OC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I&#8217;m concerned, Freeman&#8217;s column was a new low for <em>ODE</em> commentary. At least Slater and Shakra&#8217;s columns were&#8230; imaginative. Either she didn&#8217;t read our issue or is illterate and simply dictated her column to someone.</p>
<p><em>Perhaps the campus publications should develop their own codes of ethics to help guide them in editorial decisions, considering all the moral claimants involved, so that they can continue to challenge students\&#8217; beliefs without totally alienating or harming them.</em></p>
<p>If someone&#8217;s religious beliefs were actually harmed by either the comics in the Commentator or Insurgent, then they didn&#8217;t truly believe in the first place. In fact, our commentary didn&#8217;t criticize or question the central belief structure of Islam in any way. It did criticize people who were misusing a religion in order to further themselves and forment anger&#8230; we argue against this sort of thing all the time&#8211; just look at anything we&#8217;ve ever printed about Bill Donohue or Pat Robertson. So I suppose that if you believe that religion <em>should</em> be used to incite people to violence that we could&#8217;ve possibly harmed your beliefs&#8211;but it&#8217;s not likely.</p>
<p>I can only assume that she&#8217;s speaking to the comics (COMICS!), which were printed in full context. Not understanding the concept of context is going to really hurt her in the long run.</p>
<p><em>Try the Spew section here. (The source article, which is absolutely marvellous, is halfway down this page.)</em></p>
<p>Oh my. Any thought of being hard-up for <em>ODE</em> Spew material next year just disappeared. Thankfully, a disaster for the <em>ODE</em> means a plentiful harvest for the OC.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-23173</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-23173</guid>
		<description>tgraf_uoregon@yahoo.com

I haven't used my gladstone account for the past two terms because I was taking time off from school (one term left and I'm taking two off ... I know, it doesn't make much sense unless you understand my financial predicament). 

Cheers. And a happy return this weekend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="mailto:tgraf_uoregon@yahoo.com">tgraf_uoregon@yahoo.com</a></p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t used my gladstone account for the past two terms because I was taking time off from school (one term left and I&#8217;m taking two off &#8230; I know, it doesn&#8217;t make much sense unless you understand my financial predicament). </p>
<p>Cheers. And a happy return this weekend.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-23162</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-23162</guid>
		<description>Tyler: What the hell is your email address, man?  I can't seem to locate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyler: What the hell is your email address, man?  I can&#8217;t seem to locate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-23161</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-23161</guid>
		<description>Man, I forgot that she wrote that uber shit for the Weekly.  And she's a graduate student in journalism ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, I forgot that she wrote that uber shit for the Weekly.  And she&#8217;s a graduate student in journalism &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Niedermeyer</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-22666</link>
		<dc:creator>Niedermeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 18:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-22666</guid>
		<description>"So while these alternative campus publications see it as their ethical obligation to publish viewpoints that are in the minority, something necessary for diversity, for the sake of fairness, their publishers should give some care and consideration to student feedback, especially when it is numerous and intense, so that not all decisions about media content are made by publishers alone."

From Packwood Freemans column... because the only reason she's preaching from an ivory tower is the public clamour for more uninformed ethics lectures in the pages of the Daily Emerald. 

Oh shit, I just wasted good Spew on the blog... oh well, my guess is that Slaters heir apparent will keep us stocked up all year long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So while these alternative campus publications see it as their ethical obligation to publish viewpoints that are in the minority, something necessary for diversity, for the sake of fairness, their publishers should give some care and consideration to student feedback, especially when it is numerous and intense, so that not all decisions about media content are made by publishers alone.&#8221;</p>
<p>From Packwood Freemans column&#8230; because the only reason she&#8217;s preaching from an ivory tower is the public clamour for more uninformed ethics lectures in the pages of the Daily Emerald. </p>
<p>Oh shit, I just wasted good Spew on the blog&#8230; oh well, my guess is that Slaters heir apparent will keep us stocked up all year long.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-22482</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 01:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-22482</guid>
		<description>oops nevermind wrong carrie!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops nevermind wrong carrie!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-22481</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 01:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-22481</guid>
		<description>Carrie is a nut case! They hired her?? She was "discussion" leader for womens and gender studies 101 and she has a few good friends within the asuo. Wow, this is great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carrie is a nut case! They hired her?? She was &#8220;discussion&#8221; leader for womens and gender studies 101 and she has a few good friends within the asuo. Wow, this is great.</p>
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		<title>By: Olly</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-22469</link>
		<dc:creator>Olly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 00:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-22469</guid>
		<description>Try the Spew section &lt;a href="http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:_H6g9NRs9vwJ:www.oregoncommentator.com/pdf/vol22_issue10.pdf+%22carrie+packwood+freeman%22&#38;hl=en&#38;gl=au&#38;ct=clnk&#38;cd=18" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. (The source article, which is absolutely marvellous, is halfway down &lt;a href="http://www.eugeneweekly.com/2005/05/05/views.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; page.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try the Spew section <a href="http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:_H6g9NRs9vwJ:www.oregoncommentator.com/pdf/vol22_issue10.pdf+%22carrie+packwood+freeman%22&amp;hl=en&amp;gl=au&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=18" rel="nofollow">here</a>. (The source article, which is absolutely marvellous, is halfway down <a href="http://www.eugeneweekly.com/2005/05/05/views.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> page.)</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-22446</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/07/14/fourplay-actually-just-self-reighteous-intellectual-masturbation/#comment-22446</guid>
		<description>Wait wait wait... that name rings a bell.  Why?  It's disconcerting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait wait wait&#8230; that name rings a bell.  Why?  It&#8217;s disconcerting.</p>
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