Comments on: Dear Everyone, http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/ Free Minds, Free Markets, Free Booze Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:28:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Oregon Daily Emerald - 24 hour University of Oregon news and sports http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-17987 Oregon Daily Emerald - 24 hour University of Oregon news and sports Thu, 22 Jun 2006 03:59:06 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-17987 [...] This has caused some ill-directed mass hysteria on the blogosphere and on the interactive portions of our Web site and the Oregon Commentator’s page and led to a rather comical posting on the OC Blog stating what is obvious to any UO media hound — the OC is not The Insurgent. It seems the only campus publication not being mistaken for that “newspaper” is the artsy Oregon Voice, which no one seems to be confusing with a student paper. [...] […] This has caused some ill-directed mass hysteria on the blogosphere and on the interactive portions of our Web site and the Oregon Commentator’s page and led to a rather comical posting on the OC Blog stating what is obvious to any UO media hound — the OC is not The Insurgent. It seems the only campus publication not being mistaken for that “newspaper” is the artsy Oregon Voice, which no one seems to be confusing with a student paper. […]

]]> By: Bryan http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-17641 Bryan Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:25:53 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-17641 I think you may have missed a couple things, E. First, if you think we haven't given the Insurgent a hard time for their failure to formulate an intelligible argument, you have quite simply not been paying attention. Second, nobody who counts as a regular at this blog has ever claimed that people aren't free to believe in the hell-fire and brimstone brand of Christianity, or any other brand of Christianity, or any brand of any other religion. Significantly, your pronouncements do in fact make me sort of ill. But I'll still defend your right to say whatever it is you feel like saying. However, ridicule of a given idea and defense of its right to be aired are not mutually exclusive. If someone says something you don't like, you can ignore it or you can respond to it or you can wail and moan about it-- you can do whatever you like, but you can't take away their right to offend you through any other mechanism than your own refusal to take offense. Sorry. This is a pretty simple principle you probably should have picked up in a grade school American history class. I think you may have missed a couple things, E. First, if you think we haven’t given the Insurgent a hard time for their failure to formulate an intelligible argument, you have quite simply not been paying attention. Second, nobody who counts as a regular at this blog has ever claimed that people aren’t free to believe in the hell-fire and brimstone brand of Christianity, or any other brand of Christianity, or any brand of any other religion. Significantly, your pronouncements do in fact make me sort of ill. But I’ll still defend your right to say whatever it is you feel like saying. However, ridicule of a given idea and defense of its right to be aired are not mutually exclusive. If someone says something you don’t like, you can ignore it or you can respond to it or you can wail and moan about it– you can do whatever you like, but you can’t take away their right to offend you through any other mechanism than your own refusal to take offense. Sorry. This is a pretty simple principle you probably should have picked up in a grade school American history class.

]]> By: E. Martin http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-17616 E. Martin Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:54:13 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-17616 You may not have published the offensive material, but you are clearly in sympathy with it, which is the same as supporting it. Here is some verse for you would-be fence-sitters: "O Savior, thou who wearest a crown of piercing thorn, the pain thou meekly bearest, weighed down by grief and scorn. The soldiers mock and flail thee; for drink they give thee gall; upon the cross they nail thee to die O King of all. No creature is so lowly, no sinner so depraved, but feels thy presence holy and thru thy love is saved. Tho craven friends betray thee, they feel thy love's embrace; The very foes who slay thee have access to thy grace. It's not all about hell-fire and brimstone, but even if it were, aren't people free to believe it if they want to. One of you claimed to be willing to defend to the death people's right to make you ill, but you are infact only ridiculing and not defending by every insult you have made towards individual's attempts to defend their beliefs. Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it should be done. I am a Christian, but I don't make fun of Buddha, or Mohammad, or any other religion, because it is more than just offensive. If you really want to teach people to be free thinkers, than teach them to be truly tolerant -- even of religion. Otherwise you are just narrowminded on the secular side. You may not have published the offensive material, but you are clearly in sympathy with it, which is the same as supporting it. Here is some verse for you would-be fence-sitters:
“O Savior, thou who wearest a crown of piercing thorn,
the pain thou meekly bearest, weighed down by grief and scorn.
The soldiers mock and flail thee; for drink they give thee gall;
upon the cross they nail thee to die O King of all.
No creature is so lowly, no sinner so depraved, but feels thy presence holy and thru thy love is saved.
Tho craven friends betray thee, they feel thy love’s embrace;
The very foes who slay thee have access to thy grace.

It’s not all about hell-fire and brimstone, but even if it were, aren’t people free to believe it if they want to. One of you claimed to be willing to defend to the death people’s right to make you ill, but you are infact only ridiculing and not defending by every insult you have made towards individual’s attempts to defend their beliefs.

Just because something is legal, doesn’t mean it should be done. I am a Christian, but I don’t make fun of Buddha, or Mohammad, or any other religion, because it is more than just offensive. If you really want to teach people to be free thinkers, than teach them to be truly tolerant — even of religion. Otherwise you are just narrowminded on the secular side.

]]> By: Matt P. http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-13542 Matt P. Sun, 28 May 2006 18:40:39 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-13542 YES, I LOVE INCOHERENTLY ANGRY CAPSLOCK RANTING! SUCH BRILLIANCE! SUCH OBTUSE CLEVER! SUCH A PERSUASIVE ARGUMENT! I propose to take a drink every time someone uses the ol' Argumentum ad Capslock fallacy. (drink?) YES, I LOVE INCOHERENTLY ANGRY CAPSLOCK RANTING! SUCH BRILLIANCE! SUCH OBTUSE CLEVER! SUCH A PERSUASIVE ARGUMENT!

I propose to take a drink every time someone uses the ol’ Argumentum ad Capslock fallacy. (drink?)

]]> By: Ian http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-12543 Ian Wed, 24 May 2006 16:47:02 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-12543 No, but "YET, YOU SPOKE WITH SUCH OBTUSE CLEVER. ALL OF YOU DID." is poetic in its rhetorical power. No, but “YET, YOU SPOKE WITH SUCH OBTUSE CLEVER. ALL OF YOU DID.” is poetic in its rhetorical power.

]]> By: Olly http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-12519 Olly Wed, 24 May 2006 14:17:34 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-12519 Well, that's slightly disturbing. Also, it didn't rhyme. Well, that’s slightly disturbing. Also, it didn’t rhyme.

]]> By: A.L. http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-12514 A.L. Wed, 24 May 2006 08:36:04 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-12514 IN RESPONSE TO MOST ALL OF YOU "SELF-PROCLAIMED GENIUSES" ABOVE: AH, "THE SPEWING OF THE MISGUIDED WRATH CONTINUES.." HERE I AM...ON THE SCENE AGAIN, AS THE CEASELESS "ALL CAPS" CULPRIT. JUST A NOTE- AN E-MAIL HAS ALREADY BEEN SENT DIRECTLY TO THE STUDENT INSURGENT. (BELIEVE ME, THE "RESEARCH" HAS BEEN DONE.) P.S. HEY BLAKE- YOUR POSTULATION IS THOROUGHLY IMPRECISE. YET, YOU SPOKE WITH SUCH OBTUSE CLEVER. ALL OF YOU DID. IN RESPONSE TO MOST ALL OF YOU “SELF-PROCLAIMED GENIUSES” ABOVE:
AH, “THE SPEWING OF THE MISGUIDED WRATH CONTINUES..”
HERE I AM…ON THE SCENE AGAIN, AS THE CEASELESS “ALL CAPS” CULPRIT.
JUST A NOTE-
AN E-MAIL HAS ALREADY BEEN SENT DIRECTLY TO THE STUDENT INSURGENT.
(BELIEVE ME, THE “RESEARCH” HAS BEEN DONE.)
P.S.
HEY BLAKE-
YOUR POSTULATION IS THOROUGHLY IMPRECISE.
YET, YOU SPOKE WITH SUCH OBTUSE CLEVER. ALL OF YOU DID.

]]> By: Oregon Commentator » Blog Archive » Maybe This Hasn’t Been A Complete Waste Of Time http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-12381 Oregon Commentator » Blog Archive » Maybe This Hasn’t Been A Complete Waste Of Time Tue, 23 May 2006 01:33:17 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-12381 [...] I must admit that when I asked for all future Christian proselytizing in our comment section to be done in rhyming verse, I wasn’t expecting that much. (Although I’m sure there are some inadvertant haikus there in ALL CAPS.) Imagine my delight, then, at finding this today, courtesy of Heath: O prudent men of Catholic faith Cease from your plaint of wrong And save up all your vitriol For wicked Bishop Spong [...] […] I must admit that when I asked for all future Christian proselytizing in our comment section to be done in rhyming verse, I wasn’t expecting that much. (Although I’m sure there are some inadvertant haikus there in ALL CAPS.) Imagine my delight, then, at finding this today, courtesy of Heath: O prudent men of Catholic faith Cease from your plaint of wrong And save up all your vitriol For wicked Bishop Spong […]

]]> By: Olly http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-12379 Olly Tue, 23 May 2006 00:26:08 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-12379 Heath, you're a fucking (almost typed "goddamn" there, which would hardly be appropriate) genius. That's wonderful. Heath, you’re a fucking (almost typed “goddamn” there, which would hardly be appropriate) genius. That’s wonderful.

]]> By: Sho http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-12368 Sho Mon, 22 May 2006 23:08:56 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-12368 You just made my day Heath. Now all I'm going to do is read up on Bishop Spong on Wikipedia. Hope all is well in your neck of the woods. You just made my day Heath. Now all I’m going to do is read up on Bishop Spong on Wikipedia. Hope all is well in your neck of the woods.

]]> By: Heath http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-12252 Heath Mon, 22 May 2006 14:09:39 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-12252 O prudent men of Catholic faith Cease from your plaint of wrong And save up all your vitriol For wicked Bishop Spong Who, Wednesday come, at half past sept, Will preach upon your grounds His déclassée apostasy In pleasant but vain sounds. If you would please our Lord above, Forget the "art" they ran, (Which does but show that Christ was here, Both fully God and man.) Instead but love our Mother Church, Reject Spong's heresy, Hearken to our Lord Cantuar, (Archbish, M.Phil, Div.D) O prudent men of Catholic faith
Cease from your plaint of wrong
And save up all your vitriol
For wicked Bishop Spong

Who, Wednesday come, at half past sept,
Will preach upon your grounds
His déclassée apostasy
In pleasant but vain sounds.

If you would please our Lord above,
Forget the “art” they ran,
(Which does but show that Christ was here,
Both fully God and man.)

Instead but love our Mother Church,
Reject Spong’s heresy,
Hearken to our Lord Cantuar,
(Archbish, M.Phil, Div.D)

]]> By: Timothy http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-12248 Timothy Mon, 22 May 2006 14:01:16 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-12248 They don't maintain it. They don’t maintain it.

]]> By: smatch http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-12239 smatch Mon, 22 May 2006 13:53:17 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-12239 Does anyone have a more updated website for the Insurgent? The website you are linking to doesn't have anything past 2002. Does anyone have a more updated website for the Insurgent? The website you are linking to doesn’t have anything past 2002.

]]> By: Sho http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-12188 Sho Mon, 22 May 2006 07:33:44 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-12188 On second thought, Olly does have a good point. Biblical scripture is so much more easier to understand when written in verse. May I suggest that, instead writing in rhyming verse, commenters use ballad meters. On second thought, Olly does have a good point. Biblical scripture is so much more easier to understand when written in verse. May I suggest that, instead writing in rhyming verse, commenters use ballad meters.

]]> By: Olly http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-12185 Olly Mon, 22 May 2006 07:13:30 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-12185 Personally, I'm enjoying all this immensely. However, I would like to reiterate my earlier request on the Thread That Refused To Die: if you're going to leave a comment decrying the Insurgent (or us) and citing Scriptural authority to the effect that they, we, and whoever else is going to burn in hell, kindly do so in verse. And make it rhyme, if possible; it's much more persuasive that way. Thank you. Personally, I’m enjoying all this immensely.

However, I would like to reiterate my earlier request on the Thread That Refused To Die: if you’re going to leave a comment decrying the Insurgent (or us) and citing Scriptural authority to the effect that they, we, and whoever else is going to burn in hell, kindly do so in verse. And make it rhyme, if possible; it’s much more persuasive that way. Thank you.

]]> By: Andy http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-12182 Andy Mon, 22 May 2006 07:09:04 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-12182 Tim, I'm not sure if you read the e-mail I sent to ocomment, but you and Sho read my thoughts exactly. Thanks! Tim, I’m not sure if you read the e-mail I sent to ocomment, but you and Sho read my thoughts exactly.

Thanks!

]]> By: Sho http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-12180 Sho Mon, 22 May 2006 07:00:12 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-12180 I'm thinking that this post should be added as an update to any blog post which seems to be the entry point for a number of commenters (like "Electronic Insurgent"). However, I'm guessing that 90% of the people posting comments haven't actually read the post, nor will they actually take a look at any of those links except maybe the PDF of the Insurgent issue. Then again, it wouldn't hurt. Also, you should add on to 1): "We, the Oregon Commentator, did not create nor publish the Jesus cartoons. <a href="http://theinsurgent.net/index.php?volnum=common&article=aboutsi" rel="nofollow">The Student Insurgent</a> published the cartoons in question." Of course, our identity probably doesn't matter to most of these commenters as they seem to just want a venue where they can spew their misguided wrath. I’m thinking that this post should be added as an update to any blog post which seems to be the entry point for a number of commenters (like “Electronic Insurgent”). However, I’m guessing that 90% of the people posting comments haven’t actually read the post, nor will they actually take a look at any of those links except maybe the PDF of the Insurgent issue. Then again, it wouldn’t hurt.

Also, you should add on to 1): “We, the Oregon Commentator, did not create nor publish the Jesus cartoons. The Student Insurgent published the cartoons in question.”

Of course, our identity probably doesn’t matter to most of these commenters as they seem to just want a venue where they can spew their misguided wrath.

]]> By: Blake http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-12178 Blake Mon, 22 May 2006 06:50:41 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/21/dear-everyone/#comment-12178 But..but Tim, that would mean doing research! I can't put forth the effort for that! I went to a state school! But..but Tim, that would mean doing research! I can’t put forth the effort for that!

I went to a state school!

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