Comments on: The Insurgent Controversy: A Primer http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/19/the-insurgent-controversy-a-primer/ Free Minds, Free Markets, Free Booze Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:39:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Tyler http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/19/the-insurgent-controversy-a-primer/#comment-11675 Tyler Thu, 18 May 2006 20:44:39 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/19/the-insurgent-controversy-a-primer/#comment-11675 The original deal would have had one or two people from the Insurgent and one or two people from the OC, with perhaps a Jethro Higgens thrown into the mix for good measure. Alas, the kids at the Insurgent aren't big fans of, you know, explaining their thoughts or actions, so the offer was rebuffed. Thus, I came on to act as the Big O's punching bag. I'll post more of my thoughts later ... The original deal would have had one or two people from the Insurgent and one or two people from the OC, with perhaps a Jethro Higgens thrown into the mix for good measure. Alas, the kids at the Insurgent aren’t big fans of, you know, explaining their thoughts or actions, so the offer was rebuffed. Thus, I came on to act as the Big O’s punching bag. I’ll post more of my thoughts later …

]]> By: Brandon http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/19/the-insurgent-controversy-a-primer/#comment-11674 Brandon Thu, 18 May 2006 19:47:33 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/19/the-insurgent-controversy-a-primer/#comment-11674 Maybe I missed something here. Stupid question time: any idea why O’Reilly invited Tyler instead of someone from the Insurgent? Or did they rebuff his offer? Maybe I missed something here. Stupid question time: any idea why O’Reilly invited Tyler instead of someone from the Insurgent? Or did they rebuff his offer?

]]> By: Timothy http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/19/the-insurgent-controversy-a-primer/#comment-11673 Timothy Thu, 18 May 2006 19:46:50 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/19/the-insurgent-controversy-a-primer/#comment-11673 Jake: Thanks! We also moved it off of our server to another one that Ian has, I think he's got some ridiculously sized quota as well. Jake: Thanks! We also moved it off of our server to another one that Ian has, I think he’s got some ridiculously sized quota as well.

]]> By: Jake Ortman http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/19/the-insurgent-controversy-a-primer/#comment-11671 Jake Ortman Thu, 18 May 2006 18:49:32 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/19/the-insurgent-controversy-a-primer/#comment-11671 If you guys start to push your quota for the PDF again, I've mirrored it here: http://utterlyboring.com/archives/Insurgent_17.4.pdf I have a 1000GB quota on that server, and I'm only pushing 30GB for the month right now, so go ahead and link away to it. Great coverage of this Bill O'Reilly mess. I miss being on campus, otherwise I would've known about this sooner. -Jake Ortman -Former ODE Online Editor, but always a big fan of the Commentator -Blogger: utterlyboring.com If you guys start to push your quota for the PDF again, I’ve mirrored it here:
http://utterlyboring.com/archives/Insurgent_17.4.pdf

I have a 1000GB quota on that server, and I’m only pushing 30GB for the month right now, so go ahead and link away to it.

Great coverage of this Bill O’Reilly mess. I miss being on campus, otherwise I would’ve known about this sooner.

-Jake Ortman
-Former ODE Online Editor, but always a big fan of the Commentator
-Blogger: utterlyboring.com

]]> By: Shaheen http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/19/the-insurgent-controversy-a-primer/#comment-11564 Shaheen Thu, 18 May 2006 00:53:55 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/19/the-insurgent-controversy-a-primer/#comment-11564 Hmm... Well. That just made my night. I was watching our good friend Bill and was quite surprised to see this issue come up... Let me know if you guys are fishing for any stories that'll put the Commentator on CNN. Seriously, though.. Bill O'Reilly? How did that happen? Hmm… Well. That just made my night.

I was watching our good friend Bill and was quite surprised to see this issue come up… Let me know if you guys are fishing for any stories that’ll put the Commentator on CNN.

Seriously, though.. Bill O’Reilly? How did that happen?

]]> By: Olly http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/19/the-insurgent-controversy-a-primer/#comment-11562 Olly Thu, 18 May 2006 00:36:39 +0000 http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2006/05/19/the-insurgent-controversy-a-primer/#comment-11562 <p>Thanks for scanning the new Insurgent in, Ian. A couple of quick thoughts:<br /> <blockquote>The "ridiculous irony" is actually that nothing happens if you criticize a marginalized group of people (such as the Commentator printing the anti-Muslim cartoons)...</blockquote></p> <p>This is exactly the wrong lesson to learn from the OC's Motoon issue. There the cartoons were presented in context, the controversy was discussed in a sensitive and intelligent way, and there is no way that any literate person could describe the content of that issue as "anti-Muslim." Result: no protests. </p> <p>The Insurgent, on the other hand, doesn't seem to acknowledge that <i>the way you say things</i> is important; all they're concerned with is <i>who you're saying it about</i>. This explains why they're baffled at the outcry over their last issue: they don't have particularly good critical reading skills. (It also explains why they're now muttering things like "It is obvious who holds the power in this country.") </p> <p>As for "...the cartoons are clearly intended as humor," you know, I read the Aroused Jesus issue, and it was po-faced and glum as every other godawful thing they publish. Maybe we missed something and the whole bit was a <i>spoof</i> of an Insurgent issue? If so, we owe their hive mind an apology. </p> <p>Oh, and check out the list of collective members. Don Goldman picked a hell of a time to jump ship. </p> Thanks for scanning the new Insurgent in, Ian. A couple of quick thoughts:

The “ridiculous irony” is actually that nothing happens if you criticize a marginalized group of people (such as the Commentator printing the anti-Muslim cartoons)…

This is exactly the wrong lesson to learn from the OC’s Motoon issue. There the cartoons were presented in context, the controversy was discussed in a sensitive and intelligent way, and there is no way that any literate person could describe the content of that issue as “anti-Muslim.” Result: no protests.

The Insurgent, on the other hand, doesn’t seem to acknowledge that the way you say things is important; all they’re concerned with is who you’re saying it about. This explains why they’re baffled at the outcry over their last issue: they don’t have particularly good critical reading skills. (It also explains why they’re now muttering things like “It is obvious who holds the power in this country.”)

As for “…the cartoons are clearly intended as humor,” you know, I read the Aroused Jesus issue, and it was po-faced and glum as every other godawful thing they publish. Maybe we missed something and the whole bit was a spoof of an Insurgent issue? If so, we owe their hive mind an apology.

Oh, and check out the list of collective members. Don Goldman picked a hell of a time to jump ship.

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