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	<title>Comments on: ASUO: Due Process Circumvention Polka</title>
	<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/10/13/asuo-due-process-circumvention-polka/</link>
	<description>Free Minds, Free Markets, Free Booze</description>
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		<title>By: Andy D</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/10/13/asuo-due-process-circumvention-polka/#comment-1704</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2005 03:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Molon Labe gents..
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/10/13/asuo-due-process-circumvention-polka/#comment-1703</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to go with "this is the Alpha and the Omega" but then I thought better of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to go with &#8220;this is the Alpha and the Omega&#8221; but then I thought better of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/10/13/asuo-due-process-circumvention-polka/#comment-1702</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and the last line of your post should read: "So it always has been, and so it always shall be."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and the last line of your post should read: &#8220;So it always has been, and so it always shall be.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/10/13/asuo-due-process-circumvention-polka/#comment-1701</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick Wilbur's quoting an ASUO memo, not a press release, and I'd say the liberal quotations are warranted considering that it will soon be ASUO policy. Also, the part of the memo that you quote Wilbur as quoting is from the "Initial Application Review" section and should only apply to new groups who are trying to gain ASUO recognition. This was reiterated in a conversation Tyler and I had with Adam Walsh and David Goward.

With that being said, however, the "Renewal or Continuation of ASUO Recognized Status" section is troubling, as it specifically states that the RRC will inherit the PFC's responsibility to perform a "review of [existing fee-funded] student group mission and goals as well as recent program and fiscal history." There is no mention of verifying that existing groups are "advantageous to the cultural or physical development of students," but I would guess that this responsibilty is presumed to be a part of the annual review of a group's mission and goals.

Wilbur quoted me after I had just learned of the memo and not fully read it, so I think I overreacted at first.  At the moment I doubt this change gives the ASUO Executive any additional leverage against student groups it dislikes. Indeed, on the surface it appears to take leverage away from the Exec. But the fact that the RRC could potentially change every year at the whim of each incoming president is a bit troubling. Whatever the case, it's another committee that'll soak up money and resume space.

As far as Wilbur's story goes, he quoted me accurately and gave me a chance to read over the memo before responding. I must say, though, that the sentence which first mentions my name is worded oddly. It may give the appearance that I'm skeptical that our "student group's stated mission and goals" are compatible with "the insititution's broader educational mission." That certainly isn't the case. I'm just skeptical of how that wording will be applied by the RRC.

I'd post the full memo but I'm in a bit of a rush this morning. Apologies for any incoherence/errors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick Wilbur&#8217;s quoting an ASUO memo, not a press release, and I&#8217;d say the liberal quotations are warranted considering that it will soon be ASUO policy. Also, the part of the memo that you quote Wilbur as quoting is from the &#8220;Initial Application Review&#8221; section and should only apply to new groups who are trying to gain ASUO recognition. This was reiterated in a conversation Tyler and I had with Adam Walsh and David Goward.</p>
<p>With that being said, however, the &#8220;Renewal or Continuation of ASUO Recognized Status&#8221; section is troubling, as it specifically states that the RRC will inherit the PFC&#8217;s responsibility to perform a &#8220;review of [existing fee-funded] student group mission and goals as well as recent program and fiscal history.&#8221; There is no mention of verifying that existing groups are &#8220;advantageous to the cultural or physical development of students,&#8221; but I would guess that this responsibilty is presumed to be a part of the annual review of a group&#8217;s mission and goals.</p>
<p>Wilbur quoted me after I had just learned of the memo and not fully read it, so I think I overreacted at first.  At the moment I doubt this change gives the ASUO Executive any additional leverage against student groups it dislikes. Indeed, on the surface it appears to take leverage away from the Exec. But the fact that the RRC could potentially change every year at the whim of each incoming president is a bit troubling. Whatever the case, it&#8217;s another committee that&#8217;ll soak up money and resume space.</p>
<p>As far as Wilbur&#8217;s story goes, he quoted me accurately and gave me a chance to read over the memo before responding. I must say, though, that the sentence which first mentions my name is worded oddly. It may give the appearance that I&#8217;m skeptical that our &#8220;student group&#8217;s stated mission and goals&#8221; are compatible with &#8220;the insititution&#8217;s broader educational mission.&#8221; That certainly isn&#8217;t the case. I&#8217;m just skeptical of how that wording will be applied by the RRC.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d post the full memo but I&#8217;m in a bit of a rush this morning. Apologies for any incoherence/errors.</p>
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