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	<title>Comments on: So which is it, then?</title>
	<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/05/16/so-which-is-it-then/</link>
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		<title>By: Danimal</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/05/16/so-which-is-it-then/#comment-1137</link>
		<dc:creator>Danimal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2005 12:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/05/16/so-which-is-it-then/#comment-1137</guid>
		<description>Though apparently they don't get on you hard enough about "color."
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though apparently they don&#8217;t get on you hard enough about &#8220;color.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/05/16/so-which-is-it-then/#comment-1136</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2005 12:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/05/16/so-which-is-it-then/#comment-1136</guid>
		<description>Stan:  US English is almost always -ize.  They'll get on you about that in elementary school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stan:  US English is almost always -ize.  They&#8217;ll get on you about that in elementary school.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/05/16/so-which-is-it-then/#comment-1135</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2005 10:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/05/16/so-which-is-it-then/#comment-1135</guid>
		<description>AFAIK, both -ise and -ize affixes are acceptable UK english.  If memory serves, they may be US english too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AFAIK, both -ise and -ize affixes are acceptable UK english.  If memory serves, they may be US english too.</p>
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		<title>By: Danimal</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/05/16/so-which-is-it-then/#comment-1134</link>
		<dc:creator>Danimal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 16:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/05/16/so-which-is-it-then/#comment-1134</guid>
		<description>JS, I don't doubt that bad things have been done to both Muslims and Korans at Guantanamo, regardless of whether Newsweek had a solid basis for their story.  But that's beside my point:  it still doesn't reconcile these signs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JS, I don&#8217;t doubt that bad things have been done to both Muslims and Korans at Guantanamo, regardless of whether Newsweek had a solid basis for their story.  But that&#8217;s beside my point:  it still doesn&#8217;t reconcile these signs.</p>
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		<title>By: JS</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/05/16/so-which-is-it-then/#comment-1133</link>
		<dc:creator>JS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 16:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/05/16/so-which-is-it-then/#comment-1133</guid>
		<description>Or perhaps there are incidents of Koran desecration, other than the one Newsweek "reported" on?

Via Andrew Sullivan (www.andrewsullivan.com):

I took the extra step today of contacting an attorney that is representing over ten Guant�amo detainees. He works for a prominent, private, Washington, D.C. law firm, and has visited Guant�amo four times since late last year. All of his clients share the same nationality and, partly for this reason, all of his clients have been kept in complete isolation from each other.

Seeing his clients is not easy. First of all, it requires a week's stay in barracks to meet with all his clients for a sufficient amount of time. The barracks are located on the other side of the base from the camps, and the two and half-hour transit time involves a bus and a ferry.

He must prepare, in advance, a list of which clients he wishes to see, and in what order. Once, he was told that the guards could not locate one of his clients.

He meets with his clients one-by-one, never in groups. The detainees have had no contact with each other, and no opportunity to collaborate on false allegations of abuse.

I asked him, "Have you heard any accounts of Qur'anic desecration?"

He replied, "Yes, two detainees told me completely independently that they had witnessed a Qur'an being thrown in the toilet. Another told me that he had witnessed a Qur'an being stomped on. And another told me he had witnessed a Qur'an being urinated on."

He continued, "Most disturbances, like hunger strikes, have been over religious issues, like non-Muslims handling the Koran." I asked how the guards were supposed to supply Qur'ans to the detainees without handling them? He told me that the Muslim chaplains could provide this service, but there were fewer and fewer chaplains available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or perhaps there are incidents of Koran desecration, other than the one Newsweek &#8220;reported&#8221; on?</p>
<p>Via Andrew Sullivan (www.andrewsullivan.com):</p>
<p>I took the extra step today of contacting an attorney that is representing over ten Guant�amo detainees. He works for a prominent, private, Washington, D.C. law firm, and has visited Guant�amo four times since late last year. All of his clients share the same nationality and, partly for this reason, all of his clients have been kept in complete isolation from each other.</p>
<p>Seeing his clients is not easy. First of all, it requires a week&#8217;s stay in barracks to meet with all his clients for a sufficient amount of time. The barracks are located on the other side of the base from the camps, and the two and half-hour transit time involves a bus and a ferry.</p>
<p>He must prepare, in advance, a list of which clients he wishes to see, and in what order. Once, he was told that the guards could not locate one of his clients.</p>
<p>He meets with his clients one-by-one, never in groups. The detainees have had no contact with each other, and no opportunity to collaborate on false allegations of abuse.</p>
<p>I asked him, &#8220;Have you heard any accounts of Qur&#8217;anic desecration?&#8221;</p>
<p>He replied, &#8220;Yes, two detainees told me completely independently that they had witnessed a Qur&#8217;an being thrown in the toilet. Another told me that he had witnessed a Qur&#8217;an being stomped on. And another told me he had witnessed a Qur&#8217;an being urinated on.&#8221;</p>
<p>He continued, &#8220;Most disturbances, like hunger strikes, have been over religious issues, like non-Muslims handling the Koran.&#8221; I asked how the guards were supposed to supply Qur&#8217;ans to the detainees without handling them? He told me that the Muslim chaplains could provide this service, but there were fewer and fewer chaplains available.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/05/16/so-which-is-it-then/#comment-1132</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 15:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/05/16/so-which-is-it-then/#comment-1132</guid>
		<description>Dan: You're right, my initial suspicions were unfounded.  Pictures real, but low quality.  I retract my earlier statement that the pictures look fake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan: You&#8217;re right, my initial suspicions were unfounded.  Pictures real, but low quality.  I retract my earlier statement that the pictures look fake.</p>
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		<title>By: Danimal</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/05/16/so-which-is-it-then/#comment-1131</link>
		<dc:creator>Danimal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 13:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/05/16/so-which-is-it-then/#comment-1131</guid>
		<description>Look closer, Tim -- the pic has artifacting all over the place.  It's just a low quality jpeg.  As for the quality of the text, you'll notice that both signs carry the logo of the "Raza Academy," which is apparently where these fellows get their religion on.  So they're probably computer-generated by the academy, then handed out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look closer, Tim &#8212; the pic has artifacting all over the place.  It&#8217;s just a low quality jpeg.  As for the quality of the text, you&#8217;ll notice that both signs carry the logo of the &#8220;Raza Academy,&#8221; which is apparently where these fellows get their religion on.  So they&#8217;re probably computer-generated by the academy, then handed out.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/05/16/so-which-is-it-then/#comment-1130</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 10:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/05/16/so-which-is-it-then/#comment-1130</guid>
		<description>Then again, scrolling through the rest of the pictures, I think it's possible that 1) there are a lot of computer-made protest signs and 2) the photographer had a crap camera.  It's weird, though, that the artifacting is only around the letters in the signs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then again, scrolling through the rest of the pictures, I think it&#8217;s possible that 1) there are a lot of computer-made protest signs and 2) the photographer had a crap camera.  It&#8217;s weird, though, that the artifacting is only around the letters in the signs.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/05/16/so-which-is-it-then/#comment-1129</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 10:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/05/16/so-which-is-it-then/#comment-1129</guid>
		<description>Do the Brits spell "apologize" as "apologise"?  I know there are a few instances of such things due to cross-pond differences, but none is coming to mind right now.  Still, I think it's fake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do the Brits spell &#8220;apologize&#8221; as &#8220;apologise&#8221;?  I know there are a few instances of such things due to cross-pond differences, but none is coming to mind right now.  Still, I think it&#8217;s fake.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/05/16/so-which-is-it-then/#comment-1128</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 10:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/05/16/so-which-is-it-then/#comment-1128</guid>
		<description>Apologise being a perfectly correct (UK) English spelling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologise being a perfectly correct (UK) English spelling.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/05/16/so-which-is-it-then/#comment-1127</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 09:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/05/16/so-which-is-it-then/#comment-1127</guid>
		<description>That's the first thing I thought when I looked at it, too. It also seems somewhat fishy that the poster writer (I'm assuming somebody translating from Arabic to English) would misspell "apologize" but accurately spell "desecration."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the first thing I thought when I looked at it, too. It also seems somewhat fishy that the poster writer (I&#8217;m assuming somebody translating from Arabic to English) would misspell &#8220;apologize&#8221; but accurately spell &#8220;desecration.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/05/16/so-which-is-it-then/#comment-1126</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 08:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/05/16/so-which-is-it-then/#comment-1126</guid>
		<description>Is that picture fake?  There's some artifacting and the font looks a little too regular to be hand written.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that picture fake?  There&#8217;s some artifacting and the font looks a little too regular to be hand written.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/05/16/so-which-is-it-then/#comment-1125</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 05:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/05/16/so-which-is-it-then/#comment-1125</guid>
		<description>Maybe they're complaining about the retraction of the story by Newsweek.  Or maybe they're trying to ensure that there is fair and balanced reporting in their protest signs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe they&#8217;re complaining about the retraction of the story by Newsweek.  Or maybe they&#8217;re trying to ensure that there is fair and balanced reporting in their protest signs?</p>
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		<title>By: Rock Malibu</title>
		<link>http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2005/05/16/so-which-is-it-then/#comment-1124</link>
		<dc:creator>Rock Malibu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 00:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, don't forget that in many countries the media is run by the state, so perhaps these protesters assume the same about the U.S. media that it is run by the government.  My guess is they were led to believe that Newsweek was complicit in what they reported.  I saw the protests on TV this weekend, and I wondered to myself, are all these hundreds of thousands of people in Pakistan Newsweek subscribers??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, don&#8217;t forget that in many countries the media is run by the state, so perhaps these protesters assume the same about the U.S. media that it is run by the government.  My guess is they were led to believe that Newsweek was complicit in what they reported.  I saw the protests on TV this weekend, and I wondered to myself, are all these hundreds of thousands of people in Pakistan Newsweek subscribers??</p>
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